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Why do historians and scholars have such a tough time deciding upon where the Goth, Visigoth, and Ostrogoth originate?

"[1][2] In his book Getica, the Gothic historian Jordanes claimed that the Goths originated in southern Scandinavia more than 1,000 years earlier, but his reliability is disputed.[1]".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths .

As we see, historians and scholars think that the origins of the Goths are disputable.

Yet, surely the Goths would be from Gothland, Sweden?,

""Götaland (Swedish: [ˈjø̂ːtaˌland] (About this soundlisten); also Gothia, Gothland,[2][3] Gothenland or Gautland) is one of three lands of Sweden and comprises ten provinces.".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6taland .

The Visigoths from Vastergotland (West Gothland)?.

""Västergötland and Östergötland, once rival kingdoms themselves, constitute Götaland proper.".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6taland#Histor... .

And the Ostrogoths from Ostergotland (East Gothland)?.

Or, is that too much like common sense, and another name (three name coincidences)?

Update:

The only logical reason i can think, is because they do not have a Roman, or Greek peer to tell them?

Because the Romans and Greeks did not know either.

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  • 1 month ago

    Because they didn't really write anything down until long after their origins were distant legends.

    It wasn't until after they were Christianized that an alphabet was invented for their language, and they started writing things.  And most of the surviving runic inscription from before that time were destroyed in the process of "de-paganizing" them.

  • Anonymous
    1 month ago

    The Geats and Goths are treated as separate.

    The Geats lived in East and West Geatland.

    The Goths lived in the area of the Vistula (south and east of the Geatlands) and were known to the Romans.

    You place too much reliance on the coincidence of the names.

  • Anonymous
    1 month ago

    They can't decide whether it was the Ohio Valley or Yucatan. 

  • Because there is no written organized history for barbarians, only archeological work, and that is speculative, not definitive.  Sure its a pottery shard...but whose?

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