Do you agree that white supremacy has a troubling history with Protestantism in America?
In the long-overdue discussions taking place over the legacy of slavery and racism in the United States, few appear to be addressing the relationship between religion and racism.
This comes despite notions of white supremacy being entwined with the history of religion in the United States.https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/white-supremacy-h...
That “anti-white” sentiment people keep talking about is just the erosion of what I call the “privilege of individuality.” White people aren’t accustomed to being lumped together and being defined by the actions of others. Welcome to the club.
No. Slavery didn't end when the American Civil War was over. Black people are still regarded as not real citizens, as something less than a white citizen. They are still treated differently under the same set of laws.
Black people have the same rights. When did that happen again? How has that worked out?
To his dismay, Cross learned that many of the people in the white mob were regular churchgoers. In the years that followed, he made it part of his ministry to educate his fellow Christians about the attack and prompt them to reflect on its meaning.
"You think about the South being Christian, but this wasn't Christianity," Cross said. "So what happened here in the white church? How did we get to that point?"
It's a question he explored in his 2014 book, When Heaven and Earth Collide: Racism, Southern Evangelicals, and the Better Way of Jesus. https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/883115867/white-sup...
Stalin's tactics were those of the Orthodox Church. Pol Pot was a Buddhist. Mao thought himself a god. Castro was a baptized Catholic.
Enver Hoxa could be the equivalent of tRump. Like tRump, he admired dictators like Stalin. Stalin learned his tactics from the Orthodox Church.
Calles, first populist campaign in Mexican history. The 1924 Calles presidential campaign was the first populist presidential campaign in Mexico's history, as he called for land redistribution and promised equal justice, more education, additional labor rights, and democratic governance.
He then went on to consolidate his power by getting rid of the church power, which upset the Catholics who had and have a stranglehold on Mexico.
Quakers were persecuted and killed in early America by other Protestant Christians. Protestant mainstream Christians in America were just fine with slavery. They were also fine with the genocide of Native Americans.
Americans can't even discuss the real history of their country. They make up some whitewashed past to make themselves feel better. If you can't face your actual problems with race here, you will never truly be a great country, let alone a good one.
- Anonymous3 weeks agoFavorite Answer
Yes, I do agree. Manifest Destiny is surely one of the more evil aspects to ever blend racism and religion. A belief that God ordained white people should take whatever they wanted from Native Americans in a giant land grab. The KKK. Slavery okay with Jesus. The laws after the Civil War that virtually kept black people slaves, preached on by Protestants. It goes on and on here. Right up until present day. You find the BLM movement branded as godless, as communists intent on destroying Protestant White America. Racism and Protestantism go hand in hand.
- Anonymous3 weeks ago
I agree with American Catholic. Those thugs have been given everything, plus extra privileges and they still complain. They can't make anything of themselves, that is not white people's fault. Segregation? Them thugs can move wherever they want, eat wherever they want. Why are they complaining? Why are they so mad? Get over it. Slavery's far in the past. It has no effect on our laws or anything anymore.
Racism ended in America a long time ago. The demonrats keep bringing it up to win votes. They're the real racists here. If you see skin color, you're the racist. American Catholic should get a medal for trying to educate you troglodytes. Atheists have no business here anyway.
- Huh?Lv 73 weeks ago
That is part of the problem with Christianity, it can be manipulated to justify atrocious acts, and be used to rally those fighting those committing those acts. It is a weapon used by both sides. We would be better off without it and all other false beliefs.
- Larry CLv 73 weeks ago
Starting with the Quakers, and the president of the first U.S. antislavery organization, Benjamin Franklin, Christian denominations had denounced slavery, and demanded an end to it.
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"That “anti-white” sentiment people keep talking about is just the erosion of what I call the “privilege of individuality.” White people aren’t accustomed to being lumped together and being defined by the actions of others. Welcome to the club."
----- >Great. If you enjoy lumping white people together, are you also ok with white identity politics? Because you can't keep attacking white people collectively and then say white identity politics is wrong when those white people defend themselves collectively. Left-wing critics of the book "White Fragility" fear that the book is so racist that it will end up evoking white racial consciousness.
- swoltLv 73 weeks ago
They do seem to be linked in ways that some Protestants don't want to admit.
- Anonymous3 weeks ago
White is good.
- Simon TLv 73 weeks ago
I think that people have used their religion to justify the crimes and atrocities that they have wanted to perform.
People saying "Lets kill all those natives and grab their land because we want to, and it will make us rich"
it looks a lot worse than:
"God wants us to kill all those heathen natives and gives that land to us."
"Because God Says So" allows "good, God fearing people" to do things that they would otherwise think were reprehensible.
BS. If you go to Saudi Arabia, it is full of brown Islamic people. If you go to India, it is full of brown Hindu people.
Do we call those countries brown supremacy, Hindu supremacy, Muslim supremacy?
If you move to those countries, you will be expected to adapt yourself to the cultural norms of those countries. The same thing happened in America.
The founders of America were WASPs. It was natural that racial and religious institutions of America reflected their culture until the beginning of the 20th century when Catholics from Southern Europe started arriving.
If Muslims or Hindis had arrived in America before WASPs, we would have seen a majority Muslim or Majority Hindu America.
You are race-baiting. You are pushing the idea that dominant white culture = white supremacy. Dominant cultures are natural in every part of the world. That is how countries are founded and built.
All races are dominant in their countries. Only when it comes to white people, it is called supremacy.
- River EuphratesLv 73 weeks ago
It's interesting, because obvoiusly not every white protestant is a 'white supremacist' - but every white supremacist seems to be a white protestant...
- 3 weeks ago
But this kind of discussion is not long-overdue. It has been discussed; and it already had been remedied long ago. Slavery has been over for over 150 years. There is no white supremacy anymore. Blacks have the same rights as whites. Blacks are systemically afforded privileges that whites do not have.
So, if there are "discussions" taking place right now it is because of some other motive. I would suspect it's for some political motive. "Discussions" today are not to bring people together, they are designed to divide us.
Your question is a good case in point.
ANSWER TO FIRST UPDATE:
Thank you for proving my point further, saying how groups of people are labeled and "lumped together." What you really mean is "separate from the whole" do you not? Because if we were all lumped together, that would be a good thing.
ANSWER TO UPDATE 2:
That isn't true. And why are you being anonymous? If you want a serious discussion, shouldn't you be more open?