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Driving a stolen motorcycle ?

If someone were to possess a stolen motorcycle in California and they had grinded off the vin and engine number. Then got pulled over, can the police prove It is stolen? Since they can’t identify it as a stolen vehicle, does the fact that the ID numbers are removed in itself prove that the bike is stolen? 

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  • Anonymous
    1 month ago

    If they can't identify it - they will IMPOUND it.  Making you prove authentic ownership.  

    If you were to buy a motorcycle without a vin plate/any identifying numbers  - you'd have to get a replacement thru the DMV which would require a police report.  

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    • Caoedhen
      Lv 7
      1 month agoReport

      But the point is they will take the bike since a vehicle without a VIN is illegal period. It is on YOU to prove it is yours.

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  • 1 month ago

    Seek Legal Help from the court

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  • 1 month ago

    They're required to have current registration and insurance to show when ever a cop stops them. If the numbers are missing, that proves somebody is hiding the status of the vehicle and they'll have to answer for that.

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  • Anonymous
    1 month ago

    yes because the rider can't prove otherwise.   The rider "needs" the VIN & engine numbers to register the bike as theirs.

    Cops use "logic too"  Why would it be removed "unless"  That works in every court in the country.

    . Also, grinding gets rid of the surface number but they CAN STILL READ THE NUMBER because the metal under the number is compressed so it is visible to some light.  Seen it on "W5" TV show.  You would have to grind it until you had a hole in the engine casing which now makes the engine useless.

    . Or by chemical means.  (something I forgot about) It was not very hard to restore back the full number set...plain as day.

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    • Anon
      Lv 6
      1 month agoReport

      adam: In any US state, Engine/frame #'s Must match unless title  indicates replaced motor of that #. Some have it on steering crown. Some older bikes or manufactured in garage  had no numbers BUT still must  have ASN from MVD/DMV. 

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  • Anonymous
    2 months ago

    "can the police prove It is stolen" Yes they can. 

    If they go to those lengths then they will throw a big book at you.

    If you own up to possession of a stolen motorcycle then the book will be smaller. 

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  • Anonymous
    2 months ago

    It's  reasonable suspicion/probable  cause, as it's illegal to ride/drive a vehicle on public roads with no, obscured, or, altered SNs. (that Is, any made after they were  required, I think, generally 1938.) They will hold you until they can prove it belongs to you. Then you Still get  fine for breaking California Muni Code. Auto theft is  GTA and a felony  in most states; whether bike is worth $50 grand or $50 (yes, a Motorcycle Is an Automobile. Just not a truck or car.)

    Just like if you buy a car that smells like pot even though You don't toke. PC/Rs.

    Just grinding/sanding SN's doesn't remove them.  Nitric  acid or  magnaflux  will reveal them unless that entire bit of  metal  is removed. Stamping  changes the grain of the metal. Obscuring, changing, filing SN's off  a modern firearm that had SN from factory is a Fed. crime; if it belongs to you or not. (Note that firearms didn't require SNs  until 1968. I had a 1934  "Diamond Arms" *  shotgun without any.  Winchester and other major mfgrs.serialized  from day one)

    Source(s): * Made by Iver-Johnson for True Value Hardware in St. Louis.
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  • adam
    Lv 4
    2 months ago

    They can and will x ray that and the numbers will be visible. If pulled over your going to jail or the bike is being impounded until they know. Just tampering with the numbers is against the law. That is about as dumb as grinding the numbers off of a gun. 

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    • Nitic acid or  magnaflux often works. Impractical to put a motor under an Xray  head and get a useable image. Even a frame, a round section. maybe/maybe not.

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  • Anonymous
    2 months ago

    Tampering with the VIN is a misdemeanor or a felony in California.  You will be charged with possession and operation of a vehicle with an erased VIN.  The officer will call for a tow and the motorcycle will be impounded.  You will be at the back of a police car in minutes.  You will be seeing a judge in a day or two and a district attorney having a bad day can add more charges.  You better get a very good lawyer. 

  • 2 months ago

    The removal of the numbers would be good evidence that the vehicle is not a legal one.

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    • Caoedhen
      Lv 7
      1 month agoReport

      How are you going to disprove the VIN has been ground off? No VIN, illegal vehicle (title or not) and it gets impounded, every time.

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