- TinaLv 71 month ago
Dave - (aka ◄♦►) why do you bother? you have been told so many times that this is all lies but still you repeat it.
You say: "Yes, it *was* the Jews ("Zionists", actually - there is a definite difference, although some refuse to acknowledge it) that caused Germany's defeat and when Hitler condemned them for it, they consequently declared war."
No, neither "the Jews" nor "the Zionists" caused Germany's defeat in WW1. This lie was seized on by the German High Command who naturally preferred not to think that they had, simply, been beaten - they blamed the Communists, the Catholics, the Home Front, or the Jews and the Jews were the scape-goat of choice. The Jews, in fact, had served above and beyond the call of duty in WW1 - Hitler's own CO was Jewish - and Dave's convoluted story about "the Zionists" (he has, at least, stopped trying to claim they were German Zionists) selling out Germany for 'the rights to Palestine' is complete nonsense.The fact that at the end of WW1 they didn't *get* 'the rights to Palestine' is a hint... the wording of the Balfour Declaration is another. (Dave did try to claim it as a coded promise, but even he had to give up on that one).
Hitler had run for office on a programme of hatred for the Jews. His political progamme stated in 1920 that "A Jew cannot be a citizen" - his supporters broke up political meetings with shouts of "The Jews are our misfortune" and his bully boys had begun to break the windows of Jewis businesses towards the end of his campaign. When he seized power in 1933 he introduced a series of anti-semitic laws starting with forbidding Jewish doctors to work for charities in Berlin (Dave claims he was ousting Jews from 'positions of power' - possibly in Dave's looking glass world those doctors were powerful - but only there - he also calls putting Jews out of work 'draining the swamp' - a typical anti-semitic use of language.) Hitler made sure that comparatively few details of his reign of terror were known outside Germany, and some organisations made an attempt to draw the world's attention to what was happening by organising a boycott against German goods - sadly for the world, the Jews and Germany herself it failed. But the boycott is what Dave calls 'declaring war on Germany.' One sensationslist newspaper carried a headline "Judea declares war on Germany" - and this has been trotted out as a justification for Hitler's attacks on his own Jewish citizens ever after by Holocaust deniers and Hitler apologists.
Dave says: "Churchill was an ardent Jewish supporter"
No he wasn't. Dave himself called attention to an article of his which is (typically for his class and time) fairly anti-semitic.
And: "the Zionists had been embedded in American politics since the Wilson administration"
Really? where's your proof? and if they were why did they take so long to come into the war against Hitler?
And now we come - again - to Dave's incoherent and nonsensical claims about a 'hate campaign' against Hitler by those wicked Zionists...
He says: The "6 million persecuted Jews being threatened by extermination" theme was already a worn-out record that had been playing in the Zionist-controlled media since 1915. It was created to generate support for a political state to be established in Palestine (but was sold as "homeland for the Jews" since this pitch was more effective in drawing support through sympathy).
This is untrue. There had been reportage about the persecutions of Jew in Russia and E Europe since 1900. Dave chooses the 1915 in an attempt to make it relevant to Hitler. These reports were true. (If you don't believe this, type Russia and pogrom into a search engine and see what you get, then try Odessa and massacre) They were not invented to 'generate support for a political state... in Palestine' - nor was it ever 'sold as a homeland for the Jews' - what else could that be, but a 'polititical state? nor were the numbers always 6 million - they were also 3 or 5, depending on which territory the reports came from.
So Dave, having lied about the very real sufferings of the Jews and Russia and E Europe, accused "the Zionists" of inventing them both for a "publicity campaign" to make money, now claims that it was also directed at Hitler:
He says:"The great lie was readily accepted by sympathetic supporters who needed only a name and a face to validate the propaganda they'd been fed for 18 years - and "Hitler the great exterminator" was born."
Well there's certainly a lie here, but it's not about the sufferings of the Jews - no one needed a "name and a face", Dave - they had the Tsar of Russia, the Cossacks, the Ukrainians. No one ever called 'Hitler the great exterminator' but in February 1934, speaking in support of the boycott Samual Untermyer said:
"We know it is the openly avowed official policy and boasted purpose eventually [of the German government] to exterminate [Germany's Jews].... Whether by murder, suicide or starvation is immaterial.
If they cannot be rescued through the pressure of the boycott, or by some other means, death has no terrors for them, for they are every day suffering a living death. Driven out of the professions, excluded from all business and labor unions or other means of livelihood, their children denied the use of the schools and treated with contempt and unbelievable cruelty--what more terrible fate can befall them."
By this time Hitler had had ample time to start his programme.
Dave also claims that the 'publicity campaign' had generated sympathy for the Jews. He is very fond of claiming that his imaginary Zionists are devoted to arousing sympathy - but, Dave, there was none.
The world either did not hear about Hitler's campaign against the Jews, or refused to believe it. You admitted yourself that it was difficult to find countries to accept Jewish refugees (unsurprisingly as Hitler refused to let them take their own money with them and they would arrive as paupers, immediately a drain on the state). And many did not know what waited for them at home.
So your story is a lie from start (1910, not 1915) to finish ("sympathetic supporters")
There was no sympathy. There was no help. And there was no 'great lie' either.
See this link - go down to No 6 - for the truth about those newspaper reports.
- sydney19Lv 41 month ago
Britain had a defence pact with Poland Hitler invaded Poland the UK said leave or we will be at war Hitler chose war
as for dresden
A Dresden police report written shortly after the attacks reported that the old town and the inner eastern suburbs had been engulfed in a single fire that had destroyed almost 12,000 dwellings. The same report said that the raids had destroyed 24 banks, 26 insurance buildings, 31 stores and retail houses, 640 shops, 64 warehouses, 2 market halls, 31 large hotels, 26 public houses, 63 administrative buildings, 3 theatres, 18 cinemas, 11 churches, 6 chapels; 5 other cultural buildings, 19 hospitals including auxiliary, overflow hospitals, and private clinics, 39 schools, 5 consulates, the zoo, the waterworks, the railways, 19 postal facilities, 4 tram facilities, and 19 ships and barges. The Wehrmacht's main command post in the Taschenbergpalais, 19 military hospitals and a number of less significant military facilities were also destroyed. Almost 200 factories were damaged, 136 seriously damaged (including several of the Zeiss Ikon precision optical engineering works), 28 with medium to serious damage, and 35 with light damage.An RAF assessment showed that 23 percent of the industrial buildings, and 56 percent of the non-industrial buildings, not counting residential buildings, had been seriously damaged. Around 78,000 dwellings had been completely destroyed; 27,700 were uninhabitable, and 64,500 damaged, but readily repairable.During his post-war interrogation, Albert Speer, Minister of Armaments and War Production for the Third Reich, indicated that Dresden's industrial recovery from the bombings was rapid.FatalitiesAccording to official German report Tagesbefehl (Order of the Day) no. 47 ("TB47") issued on 22 March the number of dead recovered by that date was 20,204, including 6,865 who were cremated on the Altmarkt square, and they expected that the total number of deaths would be about 25,000. Another report on 3 April put the number of corpses recovered at 22,096. Three municipal and 17 rural cemeteries outside Dresden recorded up to 30 April 1945 a total of at least 21,895 buried bodies of the Dresden raids, including those cremated on the Altmarkt.Between 100,000 and 200,000 refugees fleeing westwards from advancing Soviet forces were in the city at the time of the bombing. Exact figures are unknown, but reliable estimates were calculated based on train arrivals, foot traffic, and the extent to which emergency accommodation had to be organised. The city authorities did not distinguish between residents and refugees when establishing casualty numbers and "took great pains to count all the dead, identified and unidentified". This was largely achievable because most of the dead succumbed to suffocation; in only four places were recovered remains so badly burned or ripped apart that it proved impossible to ascertain the number of victims. The uncertainty introduced by this is thought to amount to a total of no more than 35,000 people were registered with the authorities as missing after the raids, around 10,000 of whom were later found alive.A further 1,858 bodies were discovered during the reconstruction of Dresden between the end of the war and 1966. Since 1989, despite extensive excavation for new buildings, no war-related bodies have been found. Seeking to establish a definitive casualty figure, in part to address propagandisation of the bombing by far-right groups, the Dresden city council in 2005 authorized an independent Historian's Commission (Historikerkommission) to conduct a new, thorough investigation, collecting and evaluating available sources. The results were published in 2010 and stated that a minimum of 22,700 and a maximum of 25,000 people were killed.
- FLv 62 months ago
Well according to some of the answers and comments on WW2 on here, it goes like this.
Nice peace loving Mr Hitler was nicely running Germany, building a few thousand tanks and planes (just to ensure full employment you understand, no plans for war), occassionally straying into neighbouring countries, but hey, whats a few thousand sq miles between friends?
After they had only strayed into 5 or 6 countries, the nasty Winston Churchill declared war even though he didn't become PM until 8 months later. The nasty British then cheated in the Battle of Britain by using better planes and Hitler decided not to bother invading Britain.
The USA meanwhile paid the Japanese to bomb Pearl harbour so they could have a go in the war to give Hollywood something to do in the 1950s and 60s.
The nasty British and Americans then kept attacking the Germans using actual bombs. Hitler by now had also fallen out with his pal Stalin who was also now attacking German. This was all the fault of the Jews, so they were all rounded up in concentration camps and killed (or so they say).
The Japanese were now out of control, so the nasty allies had to make them obey and dropped 2 atom bombs just because they didn't want to fight for every single Japanese island and loose a million men.
However 75 years on, Germany have got their wish and rule Europe although having rule most of Asia from 1970 or so, the Japanese have been defeated (economically) by China.
- Anonymous2 months ago
Germany stopped using the Rothschilds Central Banking money and instead developed a swapping system which was a phenomenal success 100% employment
People visited Nazi Germany and marvelled at the cash less prosperity but the Rothschilds were furious and worried that other countries would follow so Victor Rothschild and Churchill campaigned for WW2 they even brought out a law that anyone protesting against WW2 would be jailed without charge
we were "taught" a pile of bs at school the truth has come out now thanks to the internet - so they are making loads of ww2 movies and stuff to try to convince people that Germany were the aggressors
Look what Churchill did to Dresden
The Rothschild bankers also made billions from all participating nations who had to borrow off them to fight in WW2
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- 2 months ago
Not sure but I'm too busy to check Wikipedia
- ◄♦►Lv 52 months ago
It was a power-play against Germany.
Germany got raked over the coals after WW1 and the Versailles Treaty was meant to ensure that they would never recover. It denied their right of self-determination and Hitler sought to restore that right to the German people.
Yes, it *was* the Jews ("Zionists", actually - there is a definite difference, although some refuse to acknowledge it) that caused Germany's defeat and when Hitler condemned them for it, they consequently declared war.
Churchill was an ardent Jewish supporter, the Zionists had been embedded in American politics since the Wilson administration and thus exercised a great deal of influence.
And Stalin - well, Stalin was looking for territory to expand the Communist influence ("Lebensraum" to use a familiar German term).
Against what most people might believe, "saving the Jews" had nothing to do with WW2. Between the Allied countries who declared war on Germany (and it was *they* who declared war on Germany, contrary to the claims that Hitler was the one who wanted war) not a single one included "to defend the Jews" as their reason.
There is ample documentation to suggest that the "Holocaust" was not what it is claimed to be.
The "6 million persecuted Jews being threatened by extermination" theme was already a worn-out record that had been playing in the Zionist-controlled media since 1915. It was created to generate support for a political state to be established in Palestine (but was sold as "homeland for the Jews" since this pitch was more effective in drawing support through sympathy).
It was so successful in creating support that the authors used it to accuse Hitler of exterminating Jews long before he could have done such a thing even if he'd planned to - which he didn't).
The great lie was readily accepted by sympathetic supporters who needed only a name and a face to validate the propaganda they'd been fed for 18 years - and "Hitler the great exterminator" was born.
- 2 months ago
apparently america should not have gone into it
i mean looking at things now
- Anonymous2 months ago
- Anonymous2 months ago
As a consequence of the failure to end the First World War properly. No such mistakes the second time around. The losers had to surrender unconditionally, which is (almost) what was extracted.
Both wars were about empires. Those who did not lose them in the the First War, would lose them in the Second, with the exception of the USSR which ended up annexing Eastern Europe. What made the Second War different was the rise of Fascism, seen in the intervening Spanish Civil War and taken up by the Italians and Nazis.