Dems, how much longer are you going to stick with the ridiculous claims that the President tried to extort Ukraine to investigate the Bidens?

The facts simply do not back you up.

Ambassador Taylor testified that he had 3 meetings with Ukrainian President Zelensky after the Trump-Zelensky call. In those meetings Zelensky said he was happy about how the call went and never once mentioned problems with getting the aid.

In today's news, the Ukrainian Foreign Minister confirmed there was never any linkage between getting aid and investigating the Bidens.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7685799/U...

Even EU Ambassador Sonderland previously testified that when he called the President and asked what the President wanted for that aid, the President replied "Nothing. There is no Quid Pro Quo."

https://www.gardenweb.com/discussions/5807620/sond...

And then of course, the most obvious fact. The aid was delivered even though no investigation or even a promise to investigate the Bidens.

Even in previous testimony,

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  • Anonymous
    4 weeks ago
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    Until something "new" comes up to throw at trump. So far dems are throwing accusations hoping one sticks.

  • humpty
    Lv 7
    4 weeks ago

    Aside from all the evidence to the contray, you still push your line of rubbish. A faithful troll to the end, which I guess can be admired.

    • Uncle Pennybags
      Lv 7
      4 weeks agoReport

      Yeah, never mind the actual facts I just mentioned.  Gawd but you Trump-haters are so blind.

  • 4 weeks ago

    Never stop the con, is the new Democrat motto.  They are still talking about Russian collusion.  They also seem to still think poor Jussie got beat up by the MAGA gangs running around Chicago in the middle of the night in the winter looking for black homosexuals to beat up. 

  • 4 weeks ago

    Your first source shows Sondland changed his tune upon further reflection quoted below.

    " Sondland originally said in a closed-door testimony on Capitol Hill that there wasn't a quid pro quo and he never communicated that

    He later walked back, claiming his memory had been jogged"

    No one in Ukraines government is going to jeopardize further aid with anything thin skinned Trump would view as insulting or unfriendly.  

    The aid was delivered only after investigations based on the whistleblower complaint started.  

    SEPT. 9: The investigations begin

    Three House committees launch a wide-ranging investigation into the allegations that Trump, his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and possibly others, tried to pressure the Ukrainian government to help the president's reelection campaign by digging up dirt on a political rival.

    SEPT. 11: The aid is released

    The funds are suddenly released. Senate Republicans said that happened in part because Sen. Dick Durbin, an Illinois Democrat, threatened to block $5 billion in Pentagon spending for 2020 if the aid wasn't given to Ukraine. They said the aid was held up while Trump looked into whether Zelenskiy was serious about fighting corruption. Taylor and other diplomats involved in Ukraine were not given a reason for the aid being released.

    Your claims are crap.

    • Raisin Caine
      Lv 7
      4 weeks agoReport

      Here is a prediction.  If Sanders bow out, Warren wins the nomination, else Biden does.  Have fun trying to use impeachment against Trump with the crook Biden as your nominee. 

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  • ioerr
    Lv 7
    4 weeks ago

    zelensky is running a small country being directly assaulted by russia, and they depend on us aid to help them keep from being overrun.  aid that trump has already demonstrated he's totally willing to cut off summarily.  and trump has demonstrated, many times, how petty and vindictive he is with anyone who says anything but flattering things about him.  zelensky and his government would have to be suicidal and insane in this situation to say anything controversial, and absolutely nobody expects they will

    your link to that discussion group states this great revelation from sonderland refers to a conversation from september 9th, about a full month after the whistleblower made his complaint.  it proves nothing except that trump knew what the accusations were.  he was denying them well after the fact. 

    and the aid, too, was only released *after* it became apparent this situation was going to be investigated.  again, nothing but an example of trump trying to cover his enormous butt. 

    but yeah, i'm sure this is the kind of thing that makes you feel ok about that slimeball.  sleep well you tool

    • Uncle Pennybags
      Lv 7
      4 weeks agoReport

      I see.  So why did Obama delay the military aid.  Why weren't you so concerned about Ukraine then.  Obama was only willing to send blankets and MREs, not Javelin missiles. 

  • 4 weeks ago

    Trump freely admits it. He just doesn't think it was an impeachable offense.

    • Alexander
      Lv 7
      4 weeks agoReport

      No, he just withheld the aid and then asked for a favor and let Zelensky draw his own conclusions. Just like a mob boss.

  • 4 weeks ago

    How much longer are you going to pretend you have any clue what happened as if you think you were there.

  • 4 weeks ago

    The thing I like about this is that Trump and Ukraine's President Zelensky are forming a good relationship and that will put a stop to Putin. And that kills the liberal claim that Trump is Putin's lackey.

  • 4 weeks ago

    Gee, we'd hate for the facts to get in the way of your fantasy.

    You do know that no person (other than you) has denied that this has happened. Not the President, not the Ukranians, no one.

    • dailymail isnt a reputable source, and whatever that other one is, has a dot com on it, so its obviously weak sauce 

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