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Protestants: can you explain what justification by faith alone means as it relates to repentance?

Generally speaking Protestants will say that someone needs to repent of their sins and believe in Jesus to be saved and have eternal life. They will also affirm 'sola fide,' or justification by faith alone. This is what confuses me. They will say that hte basis of your salvation is not works, and yet repentance is necessary for salvation.

According to the Bible in James 4:17 knowing the right thing to do - or a good work - and failing to do it is a sin. So to repent of that sin is to do good works, and repentance is seen as part of what is necessary for salvation.

So if repentance is necessary for salvation, and repentance must consist of good works, then how can salvation be based on faith alone and not of good works?

The Catholic position just makes so much more sense on this. Faith and works can't be separated.

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  • 6 months ago

    Repentance and Faith go hand and hand in the Salvation process. You can't separate them and you can't be Saved without both. Before I was Saved I believed everything I had ever been taught about God but eventually the Holy Spirit started to deal with me and I realized that an intellectual belief wasn't enough to Save me. In time I began to know that what was keeping me from being Saved was I was holding on to some pet sins and if I didn't give them up I would spend eternity in Hell. I fought it for a while but eventually bowed before God, Repented of my sins and through Faith Trusted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Our ticket to Heaven is our Salvation and since there can be no sin in Heaven we must turn them over to Jesus Christ. (Repent)

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  • Anonymous
    6 months ago

    Protestants: can you explain what justification by faith alone means as it relates to repentance?

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  • Anonymous
    6 months ago

    Jesus had nothing to do with the Catholic church. And they were not the "First Church" as they often claim. Jesus founded the Christian Church - later, after Constantine founded what became the RCC (and its later Catholic offshoots), Catholics tried to claim Saint Peter was the first pope - actually, Peter never heard of the Catholic Church. The Catholics then filled in the gap between Peter and Constantine with a few actual people and a LOT of people whom they invented out of thin air; none of whom actually existed.

    None of the Churches of the Epistles were Catholic. You can read that for yourself. The Catholic Church came later- not first. The Catholic Church IS a Branch on the Tree, but not the WHOLE Tree.

    All Churches were ordered to be autonomous. The Head of the Church is Jesus Christ, not the pope.

    The Church at Rome is Christian - but it's literally a smoke and mirrors Church that puts it members though a bunch of unnecessary doctrine.

    Many Catholics will go to Heaven, thank God, but it will be in spite of Catholicism - not because of it.

  • 6 months ago

    This matter is cleared up by passages like Eph. 2:10 ("works of God obeyed by mankind') This understanding makes other passages more clear: John 6:29, Gal. 5:6, James 2:24, 26, 1 Thess. 1:3, 2 Thess. 1:11. Everyone knows that "works" from the mind of man are never in view. "For it is God Who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Philippians 2:13.

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    • norine6 months agoReport

      OTHERWISE you DO NOT have the HOLY GHOST (((NOR))) "GOD WORKING IN YOU" (Phil 2:13) to "OBEY HIS COMMANDS" (Acts 1:2)!

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  • Hogie
    Lv 7
    6 months ago

    The flaw in your reasoning is that you are working from the wrong definition of repentance. One does not "repent of their sins" which is a regret for sins committed. Note from Scripture (you know... the Bible that Catholics rarely resort to reading) that repentance was something "granted" to the gentiles. Anyone can regret their sins.

    Repentance is the act or action of "turning (back) to God and thereby abandoning the previous lifestyle of sin. This however is only half the equation. The call of Christ is to repent and believe the gospel; salvation through faith only in Jesus the Christ regarding one's salvation. It is the righteousness derived through faith, as attested to in the law regarding the life of Abraham, who "believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness."

    So the Catholic "faith" ignores the real definition of repentance which results in rejecting the true gospel in favor of a gospel of works.

    You need to read the whole book of James. He is explaining how works of the faith follow those who have the Spirit; the fruits of the Spirit, as notated in Galatians 5:22-23. James is not talking about any works of the law or a law created by any church corporate. A person who is led by the Spirit will, as a result, do good works. If they neglect to do good when it is in their power to do so, they err; they "sin" but not a sin leading to condemnation, for the true believer is no longer under condemnation (Rom. 8:1). Christianity is a growth process. And like an infant to begin with, you are going to fall while trying to walk. God is not standing there with a whip, waiting to beat you with it every time you trip.

    • norine6 months agoReport

      JESUS "A LIAR" in Mk 16:16 when HE SAID "HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM SAVES" which is "BLASPHEMY" (Matt 12:31-32) because you know GOOD AND WELL NO "signs followed" your WATER baptism (Mk 16:17-18).

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  • 6 months ago

    They can't. No place in scripture does it describe being justified by faith alone. In fact, there is only one place in the Bible where to the two words "faith" and "alone" are found together and it says "NOT by faith alone" (Jas 2:24; emp. added).

    Biblical faith is an obedient faith (Rom 1:5; Ac 6:7; Heb 11:8), and thus obeying the command to repent is a part of that faith (Lk 13:3).

  • 6 months ago

    There is NO Bible verse which says "by faith ALONE" That word has been added to Yahoo answers - it's not in the Bible. In fact James says the opposite.

    When the Pharisees went to be baptized, John asked them, "Who has warned you to flee from the wrath of God to come?" "You need to bear fruits worthy of repentance" (Matthew 3: 7 & 8) because every tree which does not bear good fruit is thrown into the fire (Matthew 3:10) - this was BEFORE he would even think of baptizing them if you notice (Matthew 3:7)

    "Man is justified by works and NOT by faith only" (James 2:24)

    "What does it profit someone if they have faith but not works? Can faith save them?" (James 2:14)

    "You have faith and I have works. Show me your faith WITHOUT your works and I will show you my faith BY MY WORKS" (James 2:18)

    "Don't you know 0 foolish man that faith WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD?" (James 2:20)

    "Faith if it BY ITSELF and does not have works IS DEAD (James 2:17)

    The Bible says that in the past God winked at ignorance but NOW COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT" (Acts 17:30)

    Peter told us "Repent and be baptized every one of you, for the remission of your sins, in the Name of Jesus Christ and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38).

    People on Yahoo say this is not necessary but God says He gives His Spirit to those who OBEY HIM (Acts 5:32)

    And the way I see it is this, if repenting and being baptized in a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins gets our sins remitted, as John the Baptist said, when they were all in the water getting baptized and confessing their sins (Mark 1: 4 & 5),and gets us the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38) then unless we obey this command of Jesus Christ to be baptized in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19), as Peter confirmed in Acts 2:38, then without it our sins are not remitted and we obviously don't have the Holy Spirit, because He is the gift we receive if we obey Acts 2:38), as God gives His Spirit to those who obey Him (Acts 5:32).

    Besides, the command to repent is all over the New Testament

    Jesus Himself told us that Repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His Name to all nations beginning at Jerusalem, and the disciples were witnesses of these things He said, as He went on to fulfil His promise to send the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47)

    Peter said in 2 Peter 3:9 that it's not God's will that anyone perish but that ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE.

    If repentance was not necessary why is it in every gospel, as well as places like 2 Corinthians 7:10 2 Timothy 2:25 Hebrews 6:6, Matthew 3:11 etc., and Esau, who God hated, produced many tears, but found no place of repentance (Hebrews 12:17).

    So why is it necessary? - answer, because even repentance is a gift which God gives by His grace being merciful to us sinners so that we may be humble and repent and be saved.

    The works that we CANNOT get saved by are spoken of in Titus 3:5 - "Not by works of righteousness which we have done (in order to save ourselves) but according to His mercy, HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renovation of the Holy Spirit" (Titus 3:5). That's water and Spirit.

    In other words, we cannot EARN our salvation by anything good or self-righteous which we have done in the past or even that day, but only according to His mercy we are saved through WATER (baptism) & (HOLY) Spirit - which lines up with John 3:5 that UNLESS a man is born again of WATER & SPIRIT, he CANNOT enter God's kingdom (John 3: 3-5). This is obviously a baptism of repentance because one has to have a repentant heart or getting into the water is useless.

    Simon the Sorcerer tried to buy the Holy Spirit and he had been baptized, but Peter said his heart wasn't right in the sight of God (Acts 8: 13 - 21), so I believe a repentant heart leads us to be baptized, receive remission of sins/salvation and the gift of the Holy Spirit as Peter said (Acts 2:38) which is why He commanded Cornelius and his crowd to be baptized (Acts 10:48)

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    • Snowbird
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      6 months agoReport

      I had 48 comments on the question I answered "What is needed to interpret the Bible" Fortunately some were a blessing like yours today Rolando in support but I think it's so rude to insult to that degree criticising someone's answer & name calling. I have told that user I will report if it continues

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  • 6 months ago

    This is explained in the Bible in Ephesians 2:4-10: "It is by grace you have been saved... for it is by grace you are saved, through faith - and this not of yourselves. It is the gift of God. Not by works, so that no-one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."

    Notice how God's grace is mentioned twice, faith once, and works once? The grace of God has to come first, so that when a repentant sinner puts faith in that provision (Jesus' sacrificial death and resurrection being that gracious provision), then they are saved by grace alone, through faith in Christ alone. And then - because they are justified by God - they start to do the good works God had long before prepared for them to do. Those good works bring glory to God, not salvation to the person doing the good works. That's because good works that glorify God are not done for personal gain, but purely to glorify God, because the person doing them has been saved.

    It's a question of order of events. Catholics seem to think they must do good works to contribute towards an eventual salvation, but the moment there is an ulterior motive in doing a work, there is no glory to God in it. Further, regarding order of events, God demonstrates His grace by doing for us what we could never do for ourselves, while we were still sinners. This is explained in Romans 3:20-28

    "Through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known... [it] comes through faith in Jesus Christ, to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood... For we maintain that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." That was the Apostle Paul writing.

    So, the act of Grace is performed by God first (providing Christ to bear the punishment for our sins we deserve to suffer), when we see how hideous our sins are that the penalty was so severe, we are burdened by our sins, confess to God who then uplifts that burden off us, and we put total faith in Christ alone. Being in agreement with the justification of God, we can then do the good works that are fitting for saved sinners to do. It is all of God, from start to finish! That's the miracle of grace which, when grasped, leads to putting faith in what Jesus did to save us.

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  • 6 months ago

    Repentance is a gift of God.

    The works are God's works.

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  • Anonymous
    6 months ago

    Protestants just make it up as they go. Pull a bible verse here, pull a bible verse there.

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