Atheist morality: You create them yourself so clearly you'll agree with them. You can twist them to your liking, even criminals have morals?

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  • 6 months ago
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    Sort of akin to "honor among thieves"?

  • 6 months ago

    How can you believe that believing in a god makes you moral? Look at all the terrible things religious nuts have done throughout history. A study of history is a study of war and religion.

    • Rolexeo6 months agoReport

      Without a moral lawgiver than there is no morality you stupid f*ck

  • 6 months ago

    History has created morality, not contemporary individuals, and it's demonstrably subjective. So what's your point?

  • Doc
    Lv 5
    6 months ago

    Christian morality: you do what you want, without care. Confess to a non-existent, invisible being , tell yourself you're forgiven, and do it again.

    Criminals are the ones that get caught .

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  • 6 months ago

    Morals, even yours, dingus, are not created by religion. They are, instead, founded on evolutionary behaviors. we are a social species, and "morals" are merely a codification of pro-social, cooperative behaviors. That's precisely why all cultures have broadly the same basic set of morals.

  • 6 months ago

    Morals are arbitrary rules of conduct voted into existence by the popular majority of any given society. Oftentimes, they are deployed by a single dictator or monarch. They are also determined by the outcome of civil war or by violent protest. The outcome of the moral compass that a society ultimately lays down is then enforced by said society thus infusing the belief that morals are absolute. These morals that they value will shift over time depending on the makeup of opinions doing the voting, doing the dictating or doing the warring. Morals are a human construction that varies by Time, Geography and Circumstance. All of the morals we value today will someday become "outdated" by a future society that no longer feels the same way.

    Thus, morals are rules generated by the consensus of like-minded individuals. It evolves over time as the structure of the social network evolves. It does not "improve" or "degrade" over time - it simply changes based upon the shifting desires of a given social system. Morals do not exist in some aether of matter nor does it exist in the stars or the trees. It also does not exist when a human being is alone. It only emerges when humans form a group. Thus, morals are not imbedded within us. It is entirely a social phenomenon.

    Today, most of those wildly different social spheres have largely dissappeared - replaced by a more or less globalized moral system whose societies are now wholly interconnected through vast trade agreements and international resolutions through the United Nations Security Council and the General Assembly.

    What kind of morals would you have if you were born some 2500 years ago, into the legendary tribes of the Mayans?

    Would you have the morals of a 21st century American even though *America* was not yet discovered and shaped through decades of protests, rallies and a full blown civil war? Would you have been born in the Wrong Place... at the Wrong Time?

    Moral relativism however, does not mean there are no morals at all. Moral relativism states that there ARE morals which are created by each society independently from one another - from different locations to different times.

    American morals for example are decided by the popular vote of the American citizens - hashing out our differences on the streets, at rallies, at city conferences and in congress. Sometimes they are hashed out in civil wars - like the one Lincoln fought for. Chinese morals on the other hand, are hashed out quite a bit differently from ours where only a small percentage of the population decide what is right and what is wrong. These rights and wrongs that all societies build independently are then enforced by each society on their own thus causing each to believe that they have the moral superiority.

    Morals are not only relative by location but are also relative by time. A hundred years ago in America, introduction of same-sex marriage bills would get you lynched by a mob like the KKK. Today, its sweeping the nation because the society that is now doing the voting is comprised of people who feel very differently from the society that existed 100 years ago.

  • Lili
    Lv 7
    6 months ago

    No, dear, atheists don't "create their own morals". You don't need a religion to tell you that it's wrong to lie, cheat, steal, and murder. Those things are wrong because they do harm, to individuals and to the fabric (and safety) of society in general.

    Those are universal morals that don't need to be "created". Anyone can grasp them instinctively. Even small, nearly non-verbal children can, as studies have shown.

    Don't make things up about atheists, dear. Doing so says far more about you than about them.

    • Rolexeo6 months agoReport

      I'm not a Christian. I'm a deist, we have no doctrines. I have subjective morals but that's the thing, I admit them to be subjective. Why can't atheists do the same?

  • 1.0
    Lv 7
    6 months ago

    Sorry, but I can't make myself believe that genocide is moral. I can't be a Christian.

    • Rolexeo6 months agoReport

      Nobody says that so nice strawman, also you're not talking to a Christian

  • 6 months ago

    Yes, criminals have a moral sense. In psychology we learn that there are various degrees of psychopathology, sadism, maschoism, as well as their opposites. These are among other important psychological factors contributing to one's moral sense and personalities.

  • 6 months ago

    Obviously, every group that lasts has a morals or code of conduct, we even know that various other social animals have sets of morals.

    • Rolexeo6 months agoReport

      How are they universal when there's still disputes about them to this day? You just place value in things and pretend that makes it a fact

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