Was Noah's flood a true story, only localized?
Was it actually just a huge rain event, or maybe a tsunami? Then a few surviving religious folks came up with a story said it must be God punishing everyone? Maybe even a crazy animal hoarding guy actually did build a giant ark, for just the occasion?
Someone on here did point out that other civilizations did seem to carry on without interruption.
- skeptikLv 71 year agoFavorite Answer
Not "true," but "mythologized."
It's possible that it's a dim remembrance of a devastating local flood, exaggerated (as such tales always are) by the addition of details the audience would find culturally significant.
In the same way that the Garden of Eden story may have been based on a dim remembrance of a time before agriculture, when people lived by hunting and gathering.
Interestingly enough, one of the best-supported hypotheses on the subject posits that the two are actually dimly remembering the same basic event - the sometimes catastrophic flooding that occurred at the end of the last Ice Age as sea levels rose, combined with the permanent loss of lush territory that supported humans before they learned to plant and farm. So the Garden of Eden would have been about a real place that is now submerged under the Persian Gulf, and would have had the modern Tigris and Euphrates, as well as the now-dry Gihon and Pishon rivers running through it.
Possibly, the expulsion from Eden was about when the bottom of the basin flooded and they were forced to flee, while Noah's flood was about when the seas finally stopped rising. And they could settle down and plant vineyards.
- SamwiseLv 71 year ago
I think it's more likely to be a deliberate fabrication--though undoubtedly based, to some extent, on real experience with floods. Not that there's anything WRONG with fabrication; most human communication of ideas, at least until relatively recently, was accomplished by telling stories.
One probably needs to go no further from where I'm sitting than about a four-hour drive to see floods that appear to cover most of the land. The Red River, near the border of Minnesota and North Dakota, tends to get pretty nasty during the spring ice melt, because it flows north (toward the unmelted ice) rather than south. And it spreads out over a former lakebed, the area occupied by prehistoric Lake Agassiz.
As for the Noah story, if it WAS based on a particular flood, I have been much impressed by the suggestion of the novelist Orson Scott Card (in "Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus") that it might be based on the post-glacial flooding of the basin which is now the Red Sea.
- Anonymous1 year ago
The geological information and the Biblical report differ only in when the flood happened!
Look at all the fossils which are found in sedimentary rocks!
There are several things which geology agrees with the Bible on and only differ in when the events happened. The flood and its ice age were real events. The accompanying ice age allowed animals that could hibernate to survive the flood by hibernation to not have to be on the arch. It also allowed fresh water marine life to survive with out salt water encroachment.
- 1 year ago
It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every "kind' of animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 kinds of mammals 74 kinds of birds and 10 kinds of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 1,400,000 cu ft of usable space--ample for the passenger list.
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- Anonymous1 year ago
Possibly a "localized" event, but large enough to have several stories describing it originating from different cultures.
FROM THE COMMENTS
"Possibly a great number of "localized" flooding events led to a great many flood myths. Localized flooding happens every year on some part of almost every continent."
Anything is possible, but routine floods don't become mythologized. I took "localized" to mean limited to one particular area not the whole world or even whole known world (to those who created the story). I did not take it to mean "routine." Hurricane Katrina caused localized flooding, but it was (we hope) a once in a lifetime event.
- RayalLv 71 year ago
Noah's flood was a story/myth copied from other older stories. No evidence for a worldwide flood, Animals in the ark or any of that other poppycock.
- SOJLv 41 year ago
No, it was the whole world.
- EverardLv 71 year ago
It was nonsense.
Probably a local flood.
Perhaps it was rising sea levels
After the last Ice Age.
- 1 year ago
The "Flood" didn't actually happen. The "Bible" plagiarized the story from the myth cycle of the Epic of Gilgamesh, written 1000 years before Genesis was penned, and it originally describes a localized river flood, perhaps a tsunami effect, and a farmer / merchant named Unapashtim who used barges to transport grain and livestock on the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.
The story has been disproved conclusively, by history, archaeology, tectonics, and species placement, among many other things.
There is also no cultural terminus line. Had all the cultures in existence at that time all died, they would not have continued making art, recording history, building edifices, etc. Imagine if there are 100 people in a building, all writing in their diaries, and the building collapses - they all die, so they don't write in their diaries the next day. Yet that is, in analogy, what all these cultures did - they all kept "writing in their diaries". Ergo - they weren't wiped out in a "Flood".
1. The Epic of Gilgamesh was written up to 1000 years prior to the earliest written accounts of the Hebrew stories, and describes in its earliest versions a localized river flood in which Utnapishtim was swept downriver and out to sea or upriver by a tsunami on a barge with farm animals and grain intended for markets downriver.
2. Man has been present as a distinct species on the Earth for about two million years, proven by fossil dating and DNA studies. In all that time the continents have been located in virtually the same spaces they occupy today, give or take a few feet on account of the movement of tectonic plates.
3. The writers of the "Bible" plagiarized Gilgamesh, written much earlier, when they began to set down their oral traditions in writing - oral traditions that borrowed extensively from other myths and legends - and they turned the story of Gilgamesh's Flood into a global Deluge and adapted it to their own religion.
4. The Ark, as stated in the Bible, is of a certain size, in units known as cubits. Compared to modern measurement systems the Ark would have been roughly 1/3rd the length of the Queen Mary II, a multi-level ship that at its best can only hold 4,500 people or so. According to the Bible the Ark held two individuals of every land species in existence at that time. That would have been well over 5 million species, and two of each. In a boat that could hold at best 1500 people.
5. The only animals that could have reached the Ark would have been those living in Eurasia and Africa near to the Mesopotamian regions. This means that all the animals of North and South America, Australia, and every other geographically isolated continent or island that had an elevation under 16,854 feet (the height of Ararat) would have all drowned and these landmasses would have been scoured clean and sterile of all animal life.
6. Animals indigenous to isolated landmasses such as Australia never developed anywhere else, and they have ancestral lines that predate Man himself, such as the kangaroo and koala. Virtually every animal on Australia is indigenous to that landmass. The tallest mountain in Australia is Mount Kosciuszko, at 7,310 feet. A Flood able to cover Ararat would have wiped Australia clean of all life.
7. The Australian species could not have reached Asia, especially the ones that don't swim, like kangaroos and koalas. They developed on that landmass and nowhere else. If they had been wiped out there would be nothing on Australia except birds and whatever species we brought there, such as rabbits, in the 1800s.
8. During the time of "Noah" as set down in the Bible, we know that there were other cultures in existence. They made art, kept good records, and they continued doing so. A Flood of that magnitude would have caused their cultures to vanish, and all their art and records to have simply stopped. We call this a cultural terminus line, and had there been a Biblical Flood every culture in the world would have all ceased to exist on the same day. This simply never happened. There is no cultural terminus line.
9. If all animals repopulated the world from Mt. Ararat, then we would see an archeological ripple extending outwards like ripples in a lake from Ararat. Each successive generation could only get so far or move so far in their lifetimes, so the oldest specimens (of every creature in the world) would all be around Ararat. The place would be a massive graveyard for hundreds of miles around considering the 10 million individual animals that would have had to have been present.
10. Assuming that kangaroos, koalas, and every other Australian species somehow got to Eurasia to get on the Ark, they would have left archeological evidence in Eurasia as well, and those species would now likely be living in Asia, and not Australia, as I have previously noted most of those species don't swim. Especially not thousands of miles.
11. The Flood never happened. We know this from geologic and archeological proofs. At one time, due to the shifting of the tectonic plated billions of years ago, our current continents were on the seafloor and our rock strata shows evidence of this. More recently certain areas were under water from lakes and inland seas that dried up as the plates continued to shift. At no time during Man's tenure on the Earth has there ever been a global Flood. Even if all the ice in both poles and everywhere else in the world all melted, the sea level rise would be under 300 feet. Not enough to Flood the world, and nowhere near enough to attempt to submerge Ararat, at nearly 17 thousand feet tall.
12. As the saltwater of the oceans flooded all freshwater rivers and lakes the aquatic species that live there and cannot survive in saltwater would have all died.
Takeaway: Noah and the Flood never happened. The "Bible", a collection of stories, myths, and legends borrowed from other cultures, plagiarized the Epic of Gilgamesh in order to create an impossible tale.
- Anonymous1 year ago
The flood was worldwide. Everywhere.
It says in 2 Peter that in the last days, unbelievers will mock two specific things, those being, creation and the flood. And what do you see every day on YA? Mocking creation and the flood. We are indeed in the last days.
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- FireballLv 71 year ago
THE BIBLE IS TRUE...IT DID HAPPEN AND THE FLOOD WAS REAL...