Why don't liberals stand up for LIBERAL principles?

All I'm saying is that liberals need to stand up for liberal principles such as freedom of speech, freedom to practice any religion you want without the threat of violence, equality for women, equality for minorities such as homosexuals. These are liberal principles

But then when you say "You know, in the Muslim world such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, this is what's lacking" then they get upset.

Why is this?

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  • 2 years ago

    American liberals are generally critical of nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia, including their human rights violations, persecution of minorities, treatment of gays, etc... Throughout the Middle East - Iran in particular. Entire branches of feminism (which is generally - but not entirely - liberal), like Postcolonial feminism, focus on the rights of women in (mostly) African and Asian countries. During the Arab Spring, there were a number of American protests - mostly liberal - in support of the people of Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, etc...

    There has been no shortage of criticism directed at Middle East theocracies by American liberals. Where conservatives seem to get confused is here: to most liberals, this does not equate to supporting war, which inevitably kills more civilians than dictators, terrorists, etc... Also, to most liberals, whatwith supporting freedom of religion, Islam itself is not the issue - whereas conservatives, who are more likely to oppose freedom of religion (unless that religion is Christianity or Zionistic Judaism), conflate the two and see support of the practice of Islam as support for Islamic theocracies and terrorism. Likewise, liberals tend to not support banning individuals from the country simply for being Muslim or from some Muslim theocracy, recognizing the autonomy of each individual and not assuming they support their government's views (note that prior to the right-wing revolutions, much of the Middle East was actually fairly "liberal" - Iran, especially, was extremely liberal before the 1979 revolution... the views and faith of the people are not necessarily the same as the right-wing organizations/terrorists/revolutionaries who control them).

    Thus, the left seems to have a more nuanced view on the issue - opposing the human rights violations, but acknowledging that governments do not necessarily reflect the will of the people or their faith, and thus seeing the rights of Muslims, and the practice of Islam, as separate issues from the lack of human rights in many Middle Eastern countries. Whereas conservatives are more likely to conflate them all, and thus see support of the right to immigrate, and the right to openly practice Islam in the public sphere, as support for right-wing totalitarian theocracies that have existed for a few decades.

    Saying what those nations are "lacking" is one thing - liberals do that all that time. But the conservative approach, which is effectively, "these nations are lacking x, and they're Muslim majority; ergo, Islam is a violent, dangerous ideology that needs to be eradicated from Western civilization" is, well... that's kind of a ridiculous (and bigoted) leap. But since conservatives tend to conflate all of those separate elements, they then see support of the open practice of Islam within Western culture, and support for immigrants from those nations, as "opposing human rights" (*in* those countries, *under* totalitarian/militaristic rule).

    Regardless, if you were to actually look into this rather than go with whatever narrative your media outlet of choice sells you, you'd find the left - while support freedom to practice Islam, freedom of Muslim immigration, etc... - is actually very vocal against the human rights violations of Middle Eastern theocratic/totalitarian regimes.

  • Bye
    Lv 7
    2 years ago

    because they can see right through your to your core motivation which is just hatred of brown people.

  • 2 years ago

    Because your attempt at straw man construction has failed. Your"question" is a list of false claims that you provide no corroborating evidence or examples of. The last sentence, in quotes, makes no sense so I don't even know what to say to that.

    Nice try.

  • 2 years ago

    No one gets upset about pointing out Iran and Saudi have bad human rights records, liberals have been saying that for years.

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  • 2 years ago

    Saudi Arabia is a horrible country which is why its so grotesque that Trump (and his predecessors to be quite honest) give them billions of dollars worth of weapons and help them starve, bomb and kill the people of Yemen.

  • 2 years ago

    I do not know of any liberal that defends the lack of basic rights in Saudi Arabia. However what is happening in Saudi Arabia is not a defense for anything happening in the US. The argument "You know, in the Muslim world such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, this is what's lacking" is always brought up in conjunction with a discussion about these issues in the US. It has no bearing on these issues.

  • Anonymous
    2 years ago

    Because they aren't really liberals, Marxists

  • Anonymous
    2 years ago

    Liberals stand for the American ideals of freedom, justice, liberty, peace, truth, tolerance and diversity.

  • Jo5
    Lv 6
    2 years ago

    Because those things require will power, mental strength, free thought, and integrity. None of which liberals care to engage in.

  • Jeff
    Lv 7
    2 years ago

    Can you give some examples of liberals defending Islam in Saudi Arabia and Iran?

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