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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 3 years ago

Jehovah's Witnesses, why do you deny Charles Russell was the founder of your religion? Are his failed prophecies a source of embarrassment?

Update:

Since the name Jehovah's Witnesses wasn't around till after Russell died, does that mean it would be more accurate to say that Judge Rutherford was the founder of the organization?

Update 2:

"Charles T. Russell founded the Bible Student Movement, but 12 different faith groups arose from that movement, and only one group of them became Jehovah's Witnesses" - so who are those other 11 faith groups, please? Could the main one be the Bible Students that still exist today?

Update 3:

"Charles T. Russell founded the Bible Student Movement, but 12 different faith groups arose from that movement, and only one group of them became Jehovah's Witnesses" - so who are those other 11 faith groups, please? Could the main one be the Bible Students that still exist today?

Update 4:

"After Russell died Joseph Rutherford, by means of deceit and legal trickery, gained control of the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society and used that legal entity to form his new organization with its new teachings. By 1928 the Bible Students (more than 75%), had rejected Rutherford's new "Jehovah's organization" dogma. In 1931 Rutherford named his new organization Jehovah's Witnesses in order to distinguish his organization from the Bible Students who refused to go along with his new teachings."

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  • 3 years ago
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    I am not with the Jehovah s Witnesses, but since the question is about Charles Taze Russell, who likewise was not with the Jehovah s Witnesses, I will give a short response.

    Charles Taze Russell did not believe and actively preached against there being any authority in the church other than Jesus and the apostles and the prophets of old, in the writings of the Bible itself. He refused to allow the Watch Tower Soceity he had created to be used as authoritarian tool.

    Shortly after Russell died, Rutherford deceitfully had new by-laws passed that virtually destroyed the WTS as Russell had meant for it to be. Rutherford likewise began to replace Russell core teaching related to the atonement for Adam and all of Adam s descendants with his organization teaching of join my organization or be eternally destroyed in Armageddon. By 1928, the vast majority of Bible Students around the world had rejected Rutherford s "Jehovah;s visible organization" dogma.

    No, Russell was definitely not the founder of that which he spent nearly his entire life preaching against, and that which denies the central teaching that Russell spent nearly his entire life defending -- the ransom for all. Indeed, Russell founded no religion at all; he did not believe in doing such.

  • Anonymous
    3 years ago

    Uh failed prophecy my butt! You better go read the sign of jonah really carefull like! Jonah preached in 40 days ninevah will be destroyed.

    Jehovahs wittnesses preached for 40 years armagedon in 1975! Now was jonah a false prophet no! He was left in the heat being laughed at as a false prophet but jehovah gave ninevah more time because so many repented.

    Same story with jehovahs wittnesses armagedons coming millions repented and jehovah gave us more time leaving jehovahs wittneses in the desert looking like false prophet.

    But beware! Jesus said a wicked perverted generation will keep seeking a sign and none will be given it except the sign of jonah!

    Well your wicked generation got the sign of jonah jehovahs wittnesses took the heat!

    Next comes armagedon with zero warning while the rest of you stand laughing and ridiculing jehovahs wittnesses!

    But remember the little shade vine? Given to jonah! Hey people notice my name!!! Thats me im right here you were warned!

  • Anonymous
    3 years ago

    You ask why Jehovah’s Witnesses deny that Charles Russell was the founder of their organization. With hindsight it has become transparently clear that Russell was a false prophet. His original beliefs are a source of embarrassment to the organization, especially regarding all the false prophecies he made regarding the return of Jesus and Armageddon. The Society denies that Russell took upon himself the title of “faithful and discrete slave” (FDS). The job of the FDS was to dispense spiritual food from Jehovah to his earthly representatives. The 15 July 2013 issue of The Watchtower came up with a new understanding, that the FDS is a small group of anointed brothers who make up the Governing Body. Up until recently, the Society taught that this FDS had been in existence since 33 C.E. Hold onto that thought because it needs to be revisited in the light of recent changes.

    The Society claims it was never a prophet and that it never used to believe the things Russell taught. For example, that Jesus died on a cross and that it was right and proper to worship Jesus. Another major doctrinal issue they deny was that Russell taught that ALL faithful believers would go to heaven, even though only 144,000 would be co-rulers, kings and priests, with Jesus. The current belief that only 144,000 will ever go to heaven was introduced by Rutherford in the early 1930’s when he claimed that the number of the 144,000 had been sealed. My parents became Witnesses at that time and they were basically told that heaven was full up so they would have to settle for an earthly hope. They were also told that they were the generation who would see “the end of this wicked system of things” at Armageddon. The Society has now had to change that teaching since all Witnesses alive in 1914 are now dead. Interestingly, the idea that Jesus began to rule from heaven, invisibly, from October 1914, is still a core teaching of the organization. They still cling to that date, but after more than 100 years it begs the question, for how much longer?

    Back to the FDS and to “increased light” that the Governing Body has received from Jehovah. It turns out that they were wrong to think the FDS had existed since 33 C.E. “8. In the late 19th century, Charles Taze Russell and some of his associates endeavored to reestablish true Christian worship... 10. In 1919, three years after Brother Russell’s death, Jesus appointed “the faithful and discreet slave.” For what purpose? To give his domestics “food at the proper time.” (Matt. 24:45)” February 2017 Study Watchtower article: Who Is Leading God’s People Today?

    This is hugely significant because it means they can now dismiss every single false prophecy and failed prediction made by Russell. At a stroke they can distance themselves from the man who was the founder of the organization that later came to be known as Jehovah’s Witnesses. It’s not that they deny Russell was the founder, only that Russell got lots of things wrong and the existing leadership does not want to be tarnished by his failed prophecies.

    I leave you with a final quote about the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and their claims: “12. The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.” February 2017 Study Watchtower article: Who Is Leading God’s People Today?

    There we have their latest get-out clause, a caveat to cover everything they will get wrong in the future. No need to produce “perfect spiritual food” even though they claim it comes from Jehovah God and Christ Jesus. Remember, they admit they can (and do) err in doctrinal matters. That is something of an understatement in light of the history of this man-made organization. See the links below for proof.

  • 3 years ago

    Charles T. Russell founded the Bible Student Movement, but 12 different faith groups arose from that movement, and only one group of them became Jehovah's Witnesses, and only 15 years after Russell died in 1916, so Charles T. Russell never even heard of a religion called Jehovah's Witnesses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Student_moveme...

    Further, the faith group now known as Jehovah's Witnesses had abandoned most of Russell's unique and peculiar beliefs and practices, by the time they became Jehovah's Witnesses, in 1931.

    Yes, that includes the practice of attempting to forecast a date for Armageddon. The 1975 prediction was a hoax perpetrated by Time Magazine, and perpetuated by numerous news sources of that time. I have listed here, all the out-of-context snippets Anti-JWs evangelize, but I include the context they leave out : https://www.facebook.com/notes/sam-thorne/what-did...

    (Y!A doesn't allow enough answering space put that information here.)

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    Concerning the derogatory falsehood about Jesus' prophecy in another answer, this is what Jesus' prophecy says about when the Second Coming would be:

    '"24They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

    25“Then there will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars; and there will be anguish on the earth among nations bewildered by the roaring sea and waves." - Luke 21 (HCSB)

    Nothing following verse 24 happens until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled; that is, when the Gentiles no longer trample Jerusalem. The times of the Gentiles - the trampling of Jerusalem - didn't even begin until 70 CE.

    AFTER that, in verse 27 is where we read: "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory."

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  • Anonymous
    3 years ago

    Jesus predicted the world would end within a generation of his time. Are his failed prophecies a source of embarrassment?

    (Yes, clearly they are)

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