'So, please advise me what part/s of Islam I will be able to find enriching, I must be missing it, I try to be open minded and see the joy that Islam has brought us, but no, try as I might I am missing it, maybe you can help me see it.'
God threatens people he doesn't approve of with rape, which is indisputible. There are many references in the bible of God describing how enemies of God will be massacred and raped. I attached a couple. Does this in effect condone rape? That's debatable but I would say it does. It legitimises raping God's enemies. It most certainly makes no attempt to say it is wrong.
The principle is still visible TODAY by orthodox Christian countries such as Serbia during the Serbian Genocide of 1995, where Christian Serbians systematically separated and raped many thousands of Bosnian Muslim women, and murdered the men. It is not hard to see similarities.
So the arguments on the right that say "Absolutely not, because I don't know, but somehow I don't feel that's right" or "No, but I don't know because I've not read it" are patently wrong. Here are 2 examples
1 A day of the LORD is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city."
Samuel 12:11 (NIV)
11 “This is what the LORD says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight."
The verses are obvious...Take the women for yourselves. Denying very obvious verses that tell certain people or groups to take women against their will, either in war, or in the case of Lot, even given away by their own father, doesn't make these obvious verses go away. Attempting to change the definition of the word condone is also very telling of the 'no side'. However, when the bible clearly states 'God ordered' or when it clearly validates raping one's enemies/women, and in addition, makes no attempt to say it is wrong....It can only be seen as condoning rape in the sense that he ordered it.
Yes. It would have been really easy to put in an 11th commandment. Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image…Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.. But Thou shall not rape didn't make it. Why? Because it was a common practice back in those days and the men who came up with this commandments wanted to keep their options open. A perfect example why we don't really get our moral values form the bible, they are with in all of us already. We all know rape is wrong and don't need an ancient book to tell us its wrong (which it doesn't).
Oh - just a minute. That was the Bible!
· 10 months ago