Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 6 years ago

Atheists: If we are electrochemical processes s, does Libb Thims' postulate, that life does not exist, hold true?

If we are a way for the Universe to know itself, and the universe is self-occurring, then how does it follow that Spinoza's pantheistic God is not self-aware, if only through the thought processes its body brings into being, that is, us, and any other sentient beings brought about by natural processes?

How comes it that the atheist, who claims there is no personal God, can say that the Universe is our creator, a creator of persons? Once time is understood to be a literal dimension (scientists are currently tangling particles and sending one into the past, where it interacts with something that is 'still' there, so to speak), then it should also be understood that the Universe, because of us here in the present, is indeed self-aware and able to modify itself deliberately through us.

How can anyone believe, "We are a way for the universe to know itself," and then turn around and say, "Our creator possesses no self-awareness, person-hood, or intelligence?

How can such a person say, "A self-causing entity that has intelligence within it, that modifies itself through that intelligence, is unintelligent?"

Wouldn't one need to know the Theory of Everything or introduce bias in order to deny that God possesses intelligence some way or the other, if only through that which it creates so as to become created by the very beings brought about within that God?

2 Answers

  • 6 years ago
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    It's a matter of evidence. What we have is a universe with no apparent evidence of a creator, and filtering scientific constructs -- which themselves are merely models of reality designed for the highest level of human "consumption", and not necessarily the be-all end-all 100% accurate representation of reality; hence the point of science in the first continue refining accuracy -- through flawed human biases and heuristics doesn't mean you've stumbled upon any great truth or "gotcha!" question for atheists.

    All this simply shows is that you don't quite understand the way we think, or how we evaluate the universe.

  • Nate
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    6 years ago

    Well if I understand what you're saying, and that's a big if as this isn't very clearly worded to me then your premise that we are a way for the universe to know itself doesn't really make sense. Also an atheist does not believe in any deities at all, or they wouldn't be an atheist, not just personal gods.

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