Why do a lot of Jews and Christians criticise "Messianic Jews"?

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  • 5 years ago
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    Well the Jews are like "wtf are you doing claiming this clown was messiah when he didn't fulfill the prophecies", and the Christians are like "wtf are you doing observing all these laws that Jesus made obsolete", and the Messianics are like "shhh, we're just pretending to be Jews to convert the Jews, no worries" and the Christians are like "okay, so we will pretend to hate you so the Jews don't suspect anything, okay?"

    • allonyoav
      Lv 7
      5 years agoReport

      and that the Romans stopped the sacrifices (again- between the destruction of the first Temple and Second Temple sacrifices were not offered- sacrifices stopped when the Temple was destroyed) But as an ifgnorant and dishonest missionary we really cannot expect any better of him!

  • DS M
    Lv 6
    5 years ago

    Ignorance.

    Jesus was/is Jewish.

    All Jesus' disciples were Jews.

    On the day of Pentecost, 120 Jews were filled with the spirit of God like all the prophets as modeled by 1 Sam 19 and fulfilling Joel 2.

    Christians will tell you they recognize this fact, what they don't recognize is that Jesus never started or converted to Christianity. In fact, none, zero, zip of His disciples started or converted to Christianity...ever.

    Most make this assumption because the word Christian is only in 3 NT texts and the first one isn't till Acts 11. So...when it is impossible for the Jewish Messiah to also be the head of the Christian church without His conversion, you know that according to the scriptures, Christianity is a sect of Judaism.

    Most Christians would be horrified to know that non-Messianic Jews believe that the age of the prophet ended and to allow the age of the rabbi to begin. They would, again, make the false assumption that a scriptures somewhere allowed Jews to make such radical changes as discontinuing the sacrificial system (priests, alter, sacrifice).

    • Your comments here are such a wonderful example of your true feelings to Torah and HaShem and your obsessive contempt to both and to adherents of Judaism of all movements.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    Actually it's more like Well the Jews are like "wtf we know that God said everything would be different when the messiah comes but we can't accept it he fulfill the prophecies but not the way we liked it ", and the Christians are like "Why don't they get it?"", and the Messianics are like "we want to get back to the roots as see things like the ancient Jews did when they believed in mass" and the Christians are like "we wanna believe like we did in the 16th century"

    The truth is Jesus is the Jewish Messiah there never was and never will be a Christian Messiah. We know from history the many Christians continued to worship with Jews until almost the 5th century. Not that the Jews wanted them, Christianity and the messianic movement are fragmented from modern Judaism.

  • 5 years ago

    Its simole really- people object to fraud and lies. Since "messianic judaism" is essentially a bait & switch scam, those that recognise its fraudulent behaviour and how it delieberately misrepresents itself and lies in order to convert Jews criticise it. The reality is that only beteen 2-4% of them were ever Jewish according to Jewish law. The reality is that Jewish law is very clear that it is forbidden to mixthe religious practices of others with Judaism. The reality is that Jewish law is very clear that a Jew who takes on the beliefs of another faith ceases to be part of the Jewish community and cannot be counted as a Jew though they remain Jewish in the sense that they will be judged, and punished, by G-d as an apostate! Of course the "messianic jews" are dishinest so they don't mention any of this when they are tryignt o trick an undecuated Jew into converting to Christianiy through their lies and deceit!

    Source(s): Orthodox Jew; Reverend
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  • BMCR
    Lv 7
    5 years ago

    Two reasons (from a Jewish point of view):

    1) Messianic Judaism is really a weird form of Protestant Christianity with Jewish trappings. Thus, using the title of "Judaism" for their religious beliefs is wrong and deceptive.

    2) Many Messianic organizations state that proselytizing is part of their goal. We do not like being proslytizied to.

  • 5 years ago

    I have not hear Christians criticize them. It makes sense that Orthodox Jews would because Messianic Jews believe Jesus was the Messiah and Orthodox Jews believe Jesus committed blasphemy.

  • barty
    Lv 7
    5 years ago

    Probably because there's nothing Jewish about them other than admiring certain aspects of Judaism.

  • 5 years ago

    Are Messianic Jews Jewish?

    No. A Jew who accepts Christianity might call himself a “Jewish Christian,”

    but he is no longer a Jew[1]. He can no longer even be counted as part of a

    Jewish congregation[2].

    Conversion to another faith is an act of religious treason in Judaism. It is one of

    the worst possible sins that a Jew can ever commit. Along with murder and

    incest, it is one of the three cardinal sins which may not be violated even

    under pain of death. [3] It’s a big deal.

    Rabbi Moses Isserles demanded a formal conversion back to Judaism for those who converted out of Judaism but who then wanted to return to Judaism. (One who practices idolatry denies the whole of the Torah.)[4]

    He demanded ritual immersion (mikveh) and repentance before a court of three (beit din). You will see this also in other Responsa literature: Radbaz, Responsa III, 415; Moses Isserles to Yoreh Deah 268.12; and Hoffman, Melamed Leho-il II, 84.

    Maimonides himself wrote that if a Jew converted to Christianity, he or she was no longer a Jew (Yad, loc. cit. 2:5.). Also see Maimonides, Hilchot Mamrim Perek 3, Halacha 1-3, as well as in Maimonides's Mishnah Torah, Avodat Kochavim 2:5.

    Rabbi Moses Isserles demanded a formal conversion back to Judaism for those who converted out of Judaism but who then wanted to return to Judaism. He demanded ritual immersion (mikveh) and repentance before a court of three (beit din). You will see this also in other Responsa literature: Radbaz, Responsa III, 415; Moses Isserles to Yoreh Deah 268.12; and Hoffman, Melamed Leho-il II, 84.

    Harries, Richard (August 2003). "Should Christians Try to Convert Jews?". After the evil: Christianity and Judaism in the shadow of the Holocaust. New York, NY: Oxford University Press. pp. g. 119. LCCN 2003-273342. ISBN 0199263132. "Thirdly, there is Jews for Jesus or, more generally, Messianic Judaism. This is a movement of people often of Jewish background who have come to believe Jesus is the expected Jewish messiah.…They often have congregations independent of other churches and specifically target Jews for conversion to their form of Christianity."

    Kessler, Edward (2005). "Messianic Jews". in Edward Kessler and Neil Wenborn (eds.) (GoogleBooks). A dictionary of Jewish-Christian relations. Cambridge; New York: Cambridge University Press. pp. 292–293. LCCN 2005-012923. ISBN 9780521826921. OCLC 60340826. "From a mainstream Christian perspective Messianic Judaisms can also provoke hostility for misrepresenting Christianity."

    Harris-Shapiro, Carol (1999). "Studying the Messianic Jews" (GoogleBooks). Messianic Judaism: a rabbi’s journey through religious change in America. Boston, MA: Beacon Press. pp. g. 3. LCCN 98-54864. ISBN 0807010405. OCLC 45729039. "And while many evangelical Churches are openly supportive of Messianic Judaism, they treat it as an ethnic church squarely within evangelical Christianity, rather than as a separate entity."

    In the document ‘What Evangelical Christians should know about Messianic “jews”, Martin Meyer, founder of 'jews' FOR JESUS: reveals:

    ‘We are an arm of the local **Church**. We are Evangelists. We are accountable to the Church. As we win and ***convert*** Jewish people, we urge them to take their place in a local Evangelical **Church**, or establish a congregation. Our duty is to aid the **Church** at large and to gather in the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.’

    - from ‘Holy Terror’ by Conway and Seigelman

    Source(s): 1) Yad, loc. cit. 2:5. 2) Pri Megadim, Eshel Avraham 55:4. 3) Sanhedrin 74a. 4) Sifri on Num. 15:22 and Deut. 11:28; Yad, Avodas Kochavim 2:4. Cf. Horios 8a. 5) Tshuvos Rivash 4, 11, Tshuvos Rabbi Yosef ben Lev 1:15.
    • This IS the perfect answer, too bad that it was not chosen. There really isn't any way they can overcome his references.

  • Aravah
    Lv 7
    5 years ago

    Jewish answer (in addition to Mark's)" because they are attempting to deceive everyone (including some of their own members who don't realize how offensive the entire movement is). They are Christians by their beliefs, con men by their actions, anti-G-d by their goals and dishonor BOTH religions. They are con artists dressing in Jewish garb and perverting both religions. Many "messianics" here claim they aren't Christian merely because they don't celebrate Christmas and Easter (although I know several that do) - that's B/S. That isn't what defines a Jew or a Christian. Their beliefs are Christian beliefs and would be blasphemous for a Jew. Most of them were NEVER Jewish to begin with. They intentionally seek to deceive Jews in order to trick them into converting. They prey particularly on students away from home for the first time and the elderly. They've even prey on Jews at FUNERALS.

    There are also "messianic muslims" with the SAME deceptive tactics and goals = the destruction of Judaism and Islam.

    Very few "Messianics" were Jewish to begin with.

    A Jew that becomes a Christian is an apostate Jew, no longer considered part of the Jewish community or religion. They cannot be called up to read from the Torah in synagogue. They cannot be buried in a Jewish cemetery. They cannot join the US military as a “Jewish” chaplain. They cannot marry an Orthodox Jew and they cannot immigrate to Israel as a Jew. They cannot participate at Pesach celebrations/observances.

    In the document ‘What Evangelical Christians should know about Messianic “jews”, Martin Meyer, founder of 'jews' FOR JESUS: reveals:

    ‘We are an arm of the local **Church**. We are Evangelists. We are accountable to the Church. As we win and ***convert*** Jewish people, we urge them to take their place in a local Evangelical **Church**, or establish a congregation. Our duty is to aid the **Church** at large and to gather in the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.’

    - from ‘Holy Terror’ by Conway and Seigelman

    You’ll hear from several ‘messianics’ in R/S that they don’t try and convert Jews – those SAME ‘messianics’ have posted links to the Chosen People’s ministry website. Here’s proof that the very groups the ‘messianics’ recommend intentionally seek out Jews in their attempts to convert others to Christianity and will sink to the lowest form of preying on others, the grieving and elderly (and grieving elderly).

    http://www.chosenpeople.org/main/ministry-news/60-...

    “Is there any greater joy than leading someone in a prayer to receive the Lord? One of our staff members recently had that joy after a funeral over which he presided. The long-time partner of the deceased had opposed the Gospel in the past. Now, after hearing the message of hope, forgiveness and eternal life through Yeshua (Jesus), he asked questions in tears following the graveside service. This man who once was lost is now found, and has entered into the Kingdom of God!”

    http://www.chosenpeople.com/main/index.php/messian...

    http://messianicbible.com/aboutbible.asp

    they even admit Jews are the enemy

    “Here are some samples of the kind of anti-Messianic literature now being distributed by the enemies of our faith.”

    Shmot (Exodus) Chapter 12:43. The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the statute of the Passover sacrifice: No estranged one may partake of it

    'Radical Missionary Approach Produces ‘Messianic Muslims’

    SOURCE: http://www.hvk.org/articles/0204/104.htm…

    “Thus, for instance, Churches might be called “messianic mosques” – and may be designed to look like Muslim places of worship, with worshippers being required to remove their footwear before entering.

    “Worship services might be designed on the lines of Sufi zikr and sama sessions, with regular Christian Sufi orders in place. Certain Muslim festivals may be celebrated by Christians after being ****suitably adapted.***

    “By thus presenting themselves as little different from Muslims in external appearance, Christian missionaries will find it easier to win Muslim friends, and, hopefully, converts.”

    SOURCE: http://www.hvk.org/articles/0204/104.htm…

    “Become like the Muslims to reach the Muslims. Be all things to all men, George suggests to potential Christian missionaries. Hence, George suggests, in their encounters with Muslims, Christian missionaries must insist that they alone are the true Muslims.

    This, he says, promises to have an impact on potential converts. In order to further convince Muslims of their claims to true ‘Islamicity‘, Christian missionaries could formulate their own version of the Muslim Shahada.

    “Christian missionaries, too, might adopt taqiya, concealing their faith when occasion demands, focusing more on what unites them with the Muslims rather than on what divides them, while at the same time trying to spread Christianity among the Muslims through subtle means. “

    • Well, this answer is about as good as Mark's..I hadn't finished reading it before I praised Marks as best. So, there were two great answers that clearly reveal the irreconcilable differences and show how antithetical to Torah the NT truly is.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    Because they don't understand and for many, it's easier to criticize than ask questions. Gabby Little Angel is right. So is "Jesus Made Me Kosher"! Thank you for asking :-)

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