David asked in SportsBoxing · 7 years ago

Jack Johnson vs Rocky Marciano?

power = Marciano

speed = Johnson

Skill = Johnson

Chin = tie

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  • 7 years ago
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    I take Johnson by UD.

    He would clinch Rocky, and Rocky wouldn't like that. He'd clinch him and man-handle him, he did that to smaller, aggressive fighters. Rocky was about 188lbs and Johnson 10lbs heavier and 2'' taller (he was 6''1, Rocky was 5''11) and Johnson's reach was about 74 inch while Rocky had a 67 inch reach.

    Rocky was relentless but against someone like Johnson, he'd just keep Rocky on the outside and clinch him whenever he tries to come inside (he did this a-lot). He had slightly better footwork (Johnson's footwork was good for his time, but compared to the fighters of the 1950's, it wasn't much better). Johnson had faster, and more accurate hands - he had natural strength and would counter Marciano, cut him up, toy with him, etc.

    Marciano would land but Johnson would land the more accurate punches, and probably knock Rocky down.

    Johnson by lopsided UD.

    @Ken, I don't think ALI really ranked Marciano ahead of Frazier. He respected Marciano and didn't want to talk ill of him, but ALI has gone on to state that Frazier would beat Marciano. Frazier gave ALI so many problems in their third bout, he (Frazier) was essentially a bigger version of Marciano.

  • 7 years ago

    In a 15 round fight it could go either way.

    Jack Johnson was an intelligent but not so big a boxer similar to Walcott [but probably a bit more technical, sadly his film quality sucks]. Ezzard Charles did pretty good and IMO won the first fight with Rocky but Charles had more power than J. Johnson and that's a big difference. Rockys speed and boxing skill is also underatted, he could out box an old Louis. Rocky tended to box with his opponents at first, then he would get into his groove [like any great swarmer] and throw a bunch of punches, in his case haymakers.

    Many men could hold Rocky down but if you didn't have exceptional power to keep him away early [like Ezzard Charles], you were doomed.

    Johnson didn't have much power but this fight would go the distance, both were 20 round fighters. Johnson once went over 30 rounds against a 6'6.5'' boxer which is incredible considering his lack of power.

  • teodor
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    7 years ago

    Johnson I think was the best prototype modern heavyweight boxer (in tie with Joe Louis) while Marciano was I think the best modern heavyweight brawler/swarmer with the highest work rate, endurance and durability. So this would be a perfect clash of basic boxing fighting styles. I think it will go the way of the Ali-Frazier series that we actually saw in the 70s, the only difference is that I think Marciano would get the better of Johnson if they fought three times prime for prime.

  • 7 years ago

    In speaking of old-time boxers, Ali ranked Marciano #1 and was not sure if he could beat him, He also ranked Marciano ahead of Frazier.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDaw2QFC1Qg

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    In speaking of greatest heavyweights of all time, Frazier ranked Louis as #1, then Marciano, and then himself and then Ali.

    Joe Louis said he could never have beaten Marciano, even in his prime.

    If we consider these great boxers, and others, comments about Marciano as having any validity at all, then we must reconsider our appraisal of Marciano as an unskilled and slow fighter.

    Jack Johnson was a tremendous talent, and was a great defensive boxer. He also had a great punch.

    But Marciano was an anomaly: he was small for a heavyweight, even in his own time, had short arms and fought from a crouch, and whether we like his competition or not, was undefeated..

    Ali sparred with Marciano in the computer bout, and while he was not in his prime and the match was largely a gimmick, Ali was impressed with Marciano, especially his power and ability to swarm.

    The problem all fighters would have with Marciano is one of style.

    Marciano was supremely awkward to fight. And in this awkward style, he was very skilled. He had to be just to survive. His conditioning program was year-'round, not just for training camp. He was in shape, and used a system of fighting that capitalized on his physique. He would bend his knees excessively to cause opponents to reach downwards. He was adept at head movement, causing opponents to miss, and his own punches, delivered from a crouch, were surprisingly accurate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b0yHvw-vW0

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    Then there was his punch output. As he considered any available spot as a target, he rained punches on his adversary. Archie Moore said it was like fighting a windmill.

    Of course, Jack Johnson was also a great fighter.

    I am not sure who would win between these two, but I would not count Marciano out of it, that is all I am saying, I think he was better than we realize.

    But Johnson was also incredible.

    If these two were in the heavyweight division today, a lot of people would be surprised. And sore.

    Anyway, good question.

    Usually I can pick a favorite, but here I am stumped. I am sure I would buy a ticket to see it.

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  • 6 years ago

    If we are bieng honest. Jack Johnson wouldn't be able to contend with the work rate and power of rocky. His clasic style just couldnt hang

  • 7 years ago

    Jack Johnson. Bigger, faster and much more skilled.

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