Do conservatives realize that private gun sales are the #1 way criminals get guns?

An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes."

Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf.

In other words - Bob the criminal wants a gun but he can't get one. Bob has his friend Bill buy the gun. Bill then sells the gun to Bob... and it's all legal.


@ Shovel - If guns & cars were identical you'd have a valid argument. Try this... next time you go deer hunting bring a Chevy and see how well it works. Or better yet, if you ever have to face a home invader try driving over him instead of shooting him.

Update 2:

@ Uncle - Incorrect. Bill is not required to perform a background check on Bob to see if Bob has a criminal history. Bill may think that Bob is a criminal, but there's no law preventing Bill from selling to Bob just because Bill has a hunch.

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  • 6 years ago
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    Apparently not. They are on with the Chicago questions again, and the false equivalency you can see in some of the answers. They seem to believe that any place with strict gun laws has a wall around it stopping straw buyers from bringing in illegal guns.

    The guy who shot the prison warden in Colorado earlier this year got his because his girlfriend bought it for him. Highest possible sentence? 6 months. And at the same time, the GOP was voting down increasing penalties for straw buyers. It's the best way to keep gun sales up, which is what is important to their masters, the gun manufacturers.

    EDIT: A couple of them think the Supreme Court ruled in Heller that all gun regulations are unConstitutional, when that is the opposite of what they ruled. And one of them ignores the fact that we have evidence from about thirty countries that gun control laws do reduce gun death.

  • 6 years ago

    Wrong again. Your scenario is NOT legal. Bill is liable if he thinks Bob in any way is a criminal or if there is any reason Bob would not be able to buy a gun by himself. There ARE laws preventing this.

  • 6 years ago

    When Bob the criminal gets caught using a gun in his crime, give him a mandatory 25 years with hard labor.

  • 6 years ago

    Mammanuke and Monkey,

    I have no idea what you are saying.

    There are already laws on the book for the strawman sales you are talking about. So you want more laws? Harsher laws? What?

    Momma, you claim to have data showing that gun restrictions help.

    Here is one that suggests it not only does not help, but may hinder. Is your analysis more thorough? Has this analysis been invalidated?

    Remember, you are asking to limit the rights of others. Therefore, the burden of proof falls upon YOU. The moment I want to suggest a law to limit your rights, I will bear the burden of proof.

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  • Shilo
    Lv 7
    6 years ago

    Do you remember the tragic incident in upstate NY where two firefighters were shot and killed, two others seriously wounded by William Spengler when they were responding to a house fire. It's a perfect example of that "straw purchase."

    Check it out:

  • Anonymous
    6 years ago

    Wow an idiot gives an article and an idiot posts it here.

    1. A private sale is not a straw purchase unless the person buying the gun was asked to get it by the felon. No wonder the ATF gestapo makes so many screwups.

  • 6 years ago

    Hey, isn't there already a law against that?

    Doesn't that just prove that criminals ignore gun control laws and will avoid background checks?

    UPDATE: Sorry, you need to read your article again, and your question for that matter. Straw Purchase sales are those where a background check is run. That's why that straw man is necessary. Like I said, just another gun control law that the criminals ignore.

  • Amanda
    Lv 7
    6 years ago

    Do liberals realize that no amount of gun control will make gun crime go down? Chicago is leading the nation in murders and has the most gun control in the nation.

    Criminals do not follow laws in place now, what makes anyone think they'd follow new laws?

  • Anonymous
    6 years ago

    And your point is what? That back ground aren't useful. we already knew that. THat's why more background checks won't work.

    Now, since the constitution says in the second amendment that we have the right to bear arms, and the supreme court says that a right guaranteed us in the constitution cannot be abrogated, licensed, or regulated, what is your proposal.

  • 4 years ago

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