Atheists, do you think creationists should be treated the same way you claim Galileo was treated by the...?
Catholic Church? Why don't you let them have their say, even if you think it's wrong?
- imacatholic2Lv 77 years agoFavorite Answer
Nicolaus Copernicus (1473–1543), a Catholic clergyman and scientist theorized a comprehensive heliocentric cosmology, which placed the Sun at the fixed center of the universe instead of the Earth (which, by the way, was wrong). This theory was widely accepted as a legitimate theory in the scientific world of the time. Tools like telescopes had not yet been invented to help prove the theory.
Galileo (1564–1642) improved the telescope and was able to record astronomical observations that supported but did not prove Copernicus. In 1611, he made a triumphant visit to Rome, where Pope Paul V assured him of his support and good will.
Galileo felt that he had to convince the world that heliocentricism was true without further evidence. If he had just stated that Copernicanism was a hypothesis, one superior to the Ptolemiaic (geocentric) system, until further proof could be found (as the scientific method requires) then he would not have gotten into trouble.
Instead Galileo said that the scientific community and the Church either had to accept Copernicanism as a fact (even though it had not been proved) and reinterpret Scripture accordingly; or they had to condemn it. He allowed no middle room. It was Galileo's pride and arrogance that got him into trouble, not his science.
By the way, the heliocentric theory that claimed the sun was the fixed center of the universe instead of the Earth, was also incorrect. The sun is the center of the solar system but not the universe and the sun itself moves, it is not fixed.
The Church quickly got over Galileo's excesses. Pope Benedict XIV granted an imprimatur (an official approval) to the first edition of the Complete Works of Galileo in 1741.
“[Galileo] declared explicitly that the two truths, of faith and of science, can never contradict each other, 'Sacred Scripture and the natural world proceeding equally from the divine Word, the first as dictated by the Holy Spirit, the second as a very faithful executor of the commands of God', as he wrote in his letter to Father Benedetto Castelli on 21 December 1613. The Second Vatican Council says the same thing, even adopting similar language in its teaching: 'Methodical research, in all realms of knowledge, if it respects... moral norms, will never be genuinely opposed to faith: the reality of the world and of faith have their origin in the same God' (Gaudium et Spes, 36). Galileo sensed in his scientific research the presence of the Creator who, stirring in the depths of his spirit, stimulated him, anticipating and assisting his intuitions”: John Paul II, Address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (10 November 1979): Insegnamenti, II, 2 (1979), 1111-1112. From the Vatican website: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/enc...
For more information, see:
+ Galileo, Science, and the Church (1992) by Jerome J. Langford
+ The Devil’s Delusion: Atheism and its Scientific Pretensions (2009) by David Berlinski
+ Seven Lies About Catholic History (2010) by Diane Moczar
With love in Christ
- 7 years ago
First off, no one is putting creationists under arrest like the church did Galileo.
Secondly, no one is stopping creationists from saying what they want to say.
Creationists routinely impugn the abilities and motives of biologists, scientists and teachers by calling them liars, agents of satan, and other tripe.
Lastly, what creationists are spouting isn't science, but rather a religious belief. Their attempts to claim otherwise is patently dishonest. Creationists are engaging in willful ignorance in the service of ancient superstitions and myths. They deserve the ridicule they get.
- 4 years ago
In addition The Holocaust. Hitler immediately says in Mein Kampf that it was once "the Lord's work" Serbia - Muslim on Christian Pakistan-India Sudan (Darfur) There are a bunch. It might be shorter to record those which might be religious based.
- Steve BLv 67 years ago
Nobody is stopping creationists from publishing their nonsense. There are creationist websites; creationist books are available on Amazon. There are even journals of creationism. Websites devoted to the teaching of evolution often publish creationist works for the purpose of dissecting them. What's his name's banana video went viral on youtube, mainly because it is such a hoot. Creationis is being mocked and ridiculed, but it's not being suppressed.
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- BoxermanLv 67 years ago
Creationism was the norm 2000 years ago and people were killed for speaking against it, but happily over the years Christians gradually see sense and most accept evolution now, and eventually they'll see even more sense and Religion will become a minority of loons preaching from their padded cells.
- 7 years ago
First you ask a question
Then secondly you assume that we want creationists to be treated like christians treated galileo
IDIOT WHO THE **** SAID WE WANT THAT?
- Anonymous7 years ago
""Why don't you let them have their say,""
can't seem to fins a creationist that has been denied their say...they have always had the right to believe as they wish..
Problems only arise when they start claiming everyone else should believe as they do..and trying to Legislate it
- MomofthreeboysLv 77 years ago
No, I don't think they should be treated that way. They have the freedom to speak. We don't need to do anything about them, except protect children's right to learn good science. To borrow from Buddha, they need not be punished for their ignorance, they will be punished by it.
- Vic RattleheadLv 57 years ago
Atheists are arrogant disrespectful idiots who are too dumb to realize their stupidity. Good thing there aren't many of them on this planet.
- Mint JulepLv 77 years ago
Creationists do get to have their say.
Their beliefs are just factually incorrect.