Did Andrea Dworkin really believe and say that all heterosexual sex is rape?
And does she endorse incest?
Dworkin wrote that "The parent-child relationship is primarily erotic because all human relationships are primarily erotic," and that "The incest taboo, because it denies us essential fulfillment with the parents whom we love with our primary energy, forces us to internalize those parents and constantly seek them. The incest taboo does the worst work of the culture ... The destruction of the incest taboo is essential to the development of cooperative human community based on the free-flow of natural androgynous eroticism."
Why do feminists hold women like her up on a pedestal?
- 7 years agoFavorite Answer
You'd have to be a really careless reader to conclude that Andea Dworkin believed that all heterosexual sex is rape.
What is true, is that men's rights activists and other anti-feminists promote that lie, and many others about a few white feminists, to try and discredit all of feminism. The on-going atrocity of rape by men against women and girls disproportionately, along with domestic violence, sexual harassment, and men procuring, trafficking, and sexually enslaving women means that feminism is needed now more than ever. There are currently 30 million sex slaves, almost all are girls and women, almost all the slavers, pimps, and procurers are men.
Andrea Dworkin didn't promote the sexual exploitation and violation of children by adults, including by parents. There is a gross misunderstanding of a portion of her first feminist book, Woman Hating, which she later explained she'd been too influenced by Freud. But even in that first book, she wasn't talking about "incest" as we now understand it. She wasn't advocating any kind of abuse. Her work is quite clearly anti-abuse. (That was published in 1974, don't forget.) And the fact that she was speaking about erotic-spiritual energy, not sexual predation, ought to be clear to anyone reading her work. She has written and spoken out against all forms of child sexual abuse by adults.
Dworkin's work from the early 1980s onward contained frequent condemnations of incest and pedophilia as one of the chief forms of violence against women, arguing once that "Incest is terrifically important in understanding the condition of women. It is a crime committed against someone, a crime from which many victims never recover." In the early 1980s she had a public row with her former friend Allen Ginsberg over his support for child pornography and pedophilia, in which Ginsberg said "The right wants to put me in jail," and Dworkin responded "Yes, they're very sentimental; I'd kill you." When Hustler published in 1985 the claim that Dworkin advocated incest, Dworkin sued them for defamatory libel; the court dismissed Dworkin's complaint on the grounds that regardless of whether Hustler's interpretations of her reflections on incest were valid, even a faulty interpretation of a work placed into the "marketplace of ideas" could not amount to defamation in the legal sense.
Andrea Dworkin was valued because of her brilliant mind and great writing, capable of putting complex patriarchal realities into clear language. We need more women like her in the world, given how much abuse of women and girls by men there is. If you're not familiar with her actual writings, I recommend starting with Letters From A War Zone.
She should be regarded as a great human rights activist and humanitarian. Few people have been willing to speak out so clearly against men's violence against women and girls.Source(s): http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinnon.asp (see the portion on Dworkin) More proof she never said all heterosexual sex is rape: http://radgeek.com/gt/2005/01/10/andrea_dworkin/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin#Incest Here is a very good website with many more statistics and information on prostitution in the U.S.: http://www.veronicasvoice.org/statistics.html 90% of women who are under the control of pimps if in prostitution. And most are abused in various ways by the pimp. The usual age of coercive entry into those systems for prostitutes is 12. The age of coercive entry of girls into prostitution and trafficking is 8 or 9 in many other parts of the world.
- dubucLv 43 years ago
Someone who identifies themselves as a feminist in these days is giving support to the feminist laws and beliefs promoted by using persons like Dworkin. The one query is why they do so. Its often considered one of two motives: 1/ They learn about Dworkin and kind of accept as true with her. 2/ they do not know about Dworkin, and don't fairly know anything about modern-day feminism. The still believe feminism=equality. To the primary staff I say: you are not able to get away your BS ceaselessly. To the 2d team I say: shrewd up - your aid for equality is being exploited. Edit pleasure k: "Dworkin has been misquoted and misrepresented via those that seek to defame feminism, more commonly, the majority of anti-fems that almost all most of the time use her as symbol of hatred have by no means even read her..." this is utter nonsense. I've learn Dworkin's work and that is how i know she is sexist. In fact its problematic to peer how any person could read Dworkin and now not come to the apparent conclusion that she has very severe problems with men.
- 7 years ago
Most women only think about sex. When they are desperate for sex, they are able to have sex even with their brothers or sisters. They have no limits or taboos. Before few days, I read an article which was saying that 2/3 of women in the world have been in a casting for porn at least 1 time in their life. All women have incestuous fantasies or fantasies with rape. They like these things. Consequently, women stop pretend that you are innocent and admit that you enjoy the rape and incest sex.
- ʄaçadeLv 77 years ago
She was a crazy kook. Who can really know what her brain thought from time to time? Maybe she believed that for ten minutes while writing a book. The sad part is when normal people (present company excluded, of course) pay any attention.
Added @Temple: Kook Dworkin died in 2005.
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- Anonymous7 years ago
Leave it to a feminist to make a parent-child relationships creepy. They will never admit to any wrong doing, ever. Feminism in their eyes is for the good of all (all who support blindly).
Edit: The point is, she was a well known and supported feminist, what she says/believes should and does reflect the movement. The fem's and their male supporters will use "one" bad MRA to belittle the entire movement but seem to think it is wrong when done against them.
- 7 years ago
Yes. She was an idiot, and like Valery Solanas knew nothing about biology (the scum manifesto contains hilarious misconceptions). Anyway, the important thing is feminists only care about misandry (the enemy of my enemy is my friend) and don't really pay attention to anything else (and this includes reason).
- 7 years ago
I don't think she'd have to worry about getting 'raped' then.
I don't remember what she looked like exactly, fortunately.
- Anonymous7 years ago
I consider myself a feminist and I've never hears of her. But she sounds bizarre.