DEBATE on who is the greatest Indian captain ever:Dhoni or Ganguly?
I have some stats about both their captaincy:
•Ganguly bet the Aussie side which had so many great players like hayden,waugh,mcgrath,warne,brett lee,gilly,ponting ,etc 1-1 in australia whereas Dhoni got whitewashed 4-0 to a much depleted Aussie team.
•When ganguly was captain all teams including Zimbabwe & NZ were strong...now only England & South Africa are strong...Also 80 % of those 22 wins of Dhoni are played at home.whereas ganguly played more than 60% of his matches overseas.
•Captaincy record outside India:
Ganguly:11 wins in 28 matches & batting average 66.66
Dhoni:5 wins in 18 matches & batting average 31.85
•I repeat again,ganguly had double the batting average than Dhoni in overseas test matches & ganguly was no different,he too batted at no.5 or no.6 only.
•Dhoni won India the first T20 World Cup,but later on he couldn't even take India to semis in the next 3 world cups followed by that.And 8-0 whitewashes to England & Australia,this can need make him a best captain.
•Dhoni batting has been poor outside the subcontinent.He is yet to hit a century outside the subcontinent.He has promoted himself to bat up the order so many times but all of that have been while playing in the subcontinent.Why has he never even tinkered the batting order outside the subcontinent?
•Sachin tendulkar,VVS Laxman,Virender sehwag,Rahul dravid & Gautam gambhir-all these 5 batsman were at their best form of life during 2007-2011 & all of them average more than 50 in every calendar year in that period of 5 years in tests.Sachin himself averages 77 in the year 2010.And in the same period Dhoni became the captain of India & this exceptional average of these 5 batsmen took India to #1 ranking in tests.
•completely opposite to the situation when ganguly became captain when everything was going wrong for the country be it form or team or fans or match fixing.
azharudhin was the only man who had won 2 digit test matches for india before 2000.India was a weak team those days & ganguly suddenly comes & wins u 21 matches!!!
•Before that 2001 india v australia series cricket was a forgotten sport in India after multiple failures & match fixing stuff.That series brought back the cricket craziness in the cricket crazy country where ganguly led India to beat Australia 2-1 in the test series which includes a legendary Kolkata test.
•Dhoni is responsible for early retirement of ganguly in tests & ODIs,dravid in ODIs & Laxman in tests.He has problems with sehwag & gambhir.This is the main reason he is largely disliked by his own fellow countrymen.
•He gives repeated oppurtunities to Rohit the Maggy Sharma,Jadeja who is now Sir & others like Murali vijay,Ishanth etc.
•Ganguly promoted Laxman to bat at no.3 in the follow on enforced innings of Kolkata test 2001..,& what happened after that is now in history...
•Ganguly asked Javagal sreenath to come out of retirement & play in the 2003 World Cup.If Dhoni does that to any seniour world will end today.
•With such a strong team Dhoni had when he became captain He should had done much better as a leader,he Didnt establish the dominance teams like Australia had in that same decade.
•Ganguly captained in the era dominated by gilly, hayden warne, symonds, mcgrath, gillespie waugh, ponting, lara, shoaib, bond, flemming, flintoff, vaughan, ntini, inzy, jaysurya to name a few..n he took India from 8th to 3rd position, n dat too aftr azhar's legacy, wen d team was totally amateur...he had d potential of turning average players into great ones like-viru, yuvi ,Zaheer , irfan, nehra,, bhajji, kaif and even this Dhoni.
•Ganguly installed a aggressive attitude in the team,a spirit to win all matches.Legends like dravid & Laxman came to their prime form after he became captain.
•Not to forget that dada was forced to retire when he was top form in tests.He made odi debut in 1992 & scored just 3,insulted by azharudhin,does not get a chance for 4 years & comes back with a bang in lords 1996 with a century in test debut.That was real attitude.
•Ganguly was not just the captain of the ship,he was the man who built the ship.dada made the ship and now all players are travelling in that ship, its easy to travel as compared to build the ship.
•I don't say Dhoni is not a good captain,the ship would had sunk if Dhoni was not capable.He is trying his best & at the end of the day "player is just temporary,playing for the country is permanent" & its the country which matters.And Dhoni's contribution to the country is immense.
I apologies for getting too long but I had to so as to present all the facts.And I also apologise for the Dhoni fans here but it was my opinion & I said just that.Sometimes ganguly gets less credit especially by Dhoni fans(most of them who started watching cricket after t20 started)& certainly that would annoy dada fans.
So do u agree with my opinion here?everyone has their opinion & it will be respected.According to u who was the better captain:Dhoni or ganguly ?
•Also not to forget the credit of taking India into finals of a World Cup after 20 years in 2003 belongs to ganguly,& its worth mentioning that the 2003 World Cup was played in South Africa(conditions not favourable to india) whereas in the 2011 World Cup,India were playing at home & always the favourites.Also ganguly was the 2nd highest run scorer of 2003 World Cup whereas Dhoni did nothing with the bat in 2011 World Cup apart from the finals.
1.Why ganguly failed to win world cups?
Lol ,in how many world cups did Dhoni captain?answer is 5 so far.And in how many world cups did ganguly lead the team as captain?answer is only 1 & he took the team to finals in that after 20 long years,& as I said that World Cup was in RSA(not favourable conditions for India).
2.Why ganguly failed to make India no.1 in tests & ODIs?
Again u can read this in answers of class of jaguar or desiboy,India were #8 when ganguly became captain,he took them till #2.When Dhoni becomes captain India were already #2,he takes them till #1 but those whitewashes against oz & eng bring them down to #5.
And as far as u saying that ganguly team had great players,no that's totally false.Again read desiboy answer,dravid & Laxman had done nothing of note before he became captain(compare their average before he become captain & after he become captain),& Sachin too was in lean patch.He installed aggressive atti
& as u only say Dhoni has been given an extended chance to captain the team,so he has been a captain for longer period than ganguly despite 8-0 whitewash.And ganguly was dropped from the side just for losing odi series 2-4 to Pakistan & he was treated very badly at the end of his career,although a issues with greg chappel & not getting support from jealous selfish captain called "Dhoni" hurt him & he was forced to retire when he was at the peak of his test career.
But when ganguly was captain,dravid probably became the player to spend longest time as vice captain,so many wanted to make Dravjd captain & also ganguly Didnt have support from selectors later on in his career.Ganguly had issues with Greg chappel,he was repeatedly dropped from the team & treated very badly.he was in top form of his test career in 2008 but selfish jealous captain dhoni never supported him & he was forced to retire.
That's another reason why Dhoni will have more wins than ganguly,he is being captain for longer period despite huge failures.
And about 2011 World Cup,yes it's big winning at home,but the credit of that win should go to Sachin,Yuvraj Singh,gambhir,raina,Kohli & sehwag who all contributed with the bat in many matches & helped them go to the finals.Dhoni was the one who played no part with the bat till they reached finals.Note that here all batsmans contributed amongst runs with the bat.
Whereas in 2003,Sachin & ganguly did the bulk of scorin
And ganguly took India to World Cup finals after 20 long years.When it happened in 2011 it was just after 8 years that we made to World Cup finals once again.
Common..losing 0-8 or failing to make to semis of World Cup 3 consecutive times can't make u the best.There is some error.But I agree that he has been quite successful in ODIs,but even here ,its not so much,remember the recent 0-3 odi series defeat in England or not making it to even finals of 2012 cb series in Australia & many series after that including recent 1-2 defeat to Pakistan.
And dhoni is yet to prove himself as a batsman outside the subcontinent.He is yet to score a 100 outside the subcontinent.All these are facts only..