DEBATE on who is the greatest Indian captain ever:Dhoni or Ganguly?

With the win at Hyderabad,Dhoni surpasses ganguly as most successful captain for India in tests.But now lets get this straight.Who was the better greatest captain among these two?I know its not good comparing two such great legendary captains but its human nature to compare & so its inevitable. I have some stats... show more With the win at Hyderabad,Dhoni surpasses ganguly as most successful captain for India in tests.But now lets get this straight.Who was the better greatest captain among these two?I know its not good comparing two such great legendary captains but its human nature to compare & so its inevitable.

I have some stats about both their captaincy:

•Ganguly bet the Aussie side which had so many great players like hayden,waugh,mcgrath,warne,brett lee,gilly,ponting ,etc 1-1 in australia whereas Dhoni got whitewashed 4-0 to a much depleted Aussie team.

•When ganguly was captain all teams including Zimbabwe & NZ were strong...now only England & South Africa are strong...Also 80 % of those 22 wins of Dhoni are played at home.whereas ganguly played more than 60% of his matches overseas.

•Captaincy record outside India:
Ganguly:11 wins in 28 matches & batting average 66.66
Dhoni:5 wins in 18 matches & batting average 31.85

•I repeat again,ganguly had double the batting average than Dhoni in overseas test matches & ganguly was no different,he too batted at no.5 or no.6 only.

•Dhoni won India the first T20 World Cup,but later on he couldn't even take India to semis in the next 3 world cups followed by that.And 8-0 whitewashes to England & Australia,this can need make him a best captain.

•Dhoni batting has been poor outside the subcontinent.He is yet to hit a century outside the subcontinent.He has promoted himself to bat up the order so many times but all of that have been while playing in the subcontinent.Why has he never even tinkered the batting order outside the subcontinent?

•Sachin tendulkar,VVS Laxman,Virender sehwag,Rahul dravid & Gautam gambhir-all these 5 batsman were at their best form of life during 2007-2011 & all of them average more than 50 in every calendar year in that period of 5 years in tests.Sachin himself averages 77 in the year 2010.And in the same period Dhoni became the captain of India & this exceptional average of these 5 batsmen took India to #1 ranking in tests.

•completely opposite to the situation when ganguly became captain when everything was going wrong for the country be it form or team or fans or match fixing.
azharudhin was the only man who had won 2 digit test matches for india before 2000.India was a weak team those days & ganguly suddenly comes & wins u 21 matches!!!

•Before that 2001 india v australia series cricket was a forgotten sport in India after multiple failures & match fixing stuff.That series brought back the cricket craziness in the cricket crazy country where ganguly led India to beat Australia 2-1 in the test series which includes a legendary Kolkata test.

•Dhoni is responsible for early retirement of ganguly in tests & ODIs,dravid in ODIs & Laxman in tests.He has problems with sehwag & gambhir.This is the main reason he is largely disliked by his own fellow countrymen.

•He gives repeated oppurtunities to Rohit the Maggy Sharma,Jadeja who is now Sir & others like Murali vijay,Ishanth etc.

•Ganguly promoted Laxman to bat at no.3 in the follow on enforced innings of Kolkata test 2001..,& what happened after that is now in history...

•Ganguly asked Javagal sreenath to come out of retirement & play in the 2003 World Cup.If Dhoni does that to any seniour world will end today.

•With such a strong team Dhoni had when he became captain He should had done much better as a leader,he Didnt establish the dominance teams like Australia had in that same decade.

•Ganguly captained in the era dominated by gilly, hayden warne, symonds, mcgrath, gillespie waugh, ponting, lara, shoaib, bond, flemming, flintoff, vaughan, ntini, inzy, jaysurya to name a few..n he took India from 8th to 3rd position, n dat too aftr azhar's legacy, wen d team was totally amateur...he had d potential of turning average players into great ones like-viru, yuvi ,Zaheer , irfan, nehra,, bhajji, kaif and even this Dhoni.

•Ganguly installed a aggressive attitude in the team,a spirit to win all matches.Legends like dravid & Laxman came to their prime form after he became captain.

•Not to forget that dada was forced to retire when he was top form in tests.He made odi debut in 1992 & scored just 3,insulted by azharudhin,does not get a chance for 4 years & comes back with a bang in lords 1996 with a century in test debut.That was real attitude.

•Ganguly was not just the captain of the ship,he was the man who built the ship.dada made the ship and now all players are travelling in that ship, its easy to travel as compared to build the ship.

•I don't say Dhoni is not a good captain,the ship would had sunk if Dhoni was not capable.He is trying his best & at the end of the day "player is just temporary,playing for the country is permanent" & its the country which matters.And Dhoni's contribution to the country is immense.
Update: All these stats & analysis prove the famous saying that "ganguly is the best captain of Indian team whereas Dhoni is the captain of best Indian team". I apologies for getting too long but I had to so as to present all the facts.And I also apologise for the Dhoni fans here but it was my opinion & I said... show more All these stats & analysis prove the famous saying that "ganguly is the best captain of Indian team whereas Dhoni is the captain of best Indian team".

I apologies for getting too long but I had to so as to present all the facts.And I also apologise for the Dhoni fans here but it was my opinion & I said just that.Sometimes ganguly gets less credit especially by Dhoni fans(most of them who started watching cricket after t20 started)& certainly that would annoy dada fans.

So do u agree with my opinion here?everyone has their opinion & it will be respected.According to u who was the better captain:Dhoni or ganguly ?
Update 2: •Yet another point which can be added is that when India toured England in 2002 under ganguly's captaincy they won the triangular ODI series(natwest 2002 chasing record 326 in finals at lords considered by critics as 2nd greatest odi of all time) & tied the 4 match test series 1-1.But when India toured England... show more •Yet another point which can be added is that when India toured England in 2002 under ganguly's captaincy they won the triangular ODI series(natwest 2002 chasing record 326 in finals at lords considered by critics as 2nd greatest odi of all time) & tied the 4 match test series 1-1.But when India toured England under Dhoni's captaincy in 2011,they got whitewashed 4-0 in tests & lost the 5 match ODI series 3-0.

•Also not to forget the credit of taking India into finals of a World Cup after 20 years in 2003 belongs to ganguly,& its worth mentioning that the 2003 World Cup was played in South Africa(conditions not favourable to india) whereas in the 2011 World Cup,India were playing at home & always the favourites.Also ganguly was the 2nd highest run scorer of 2003 World Cup whereas Dhoni did nothing with the bat in 2011 World Cup apart from the finals.
Update 3: MBIOF I easily have answer to all your questions. 1.Why ganguly failed to win world cups? Lol ,in how many world cups did Dhoni captain?answer is 5 so far.And in how many world cups did ganguly lead the team as captain?answer is only 1 & he took the team to finals in that after 20 long years,& as I said that World... show more MBIOF I easily have answer to all your questions.

1.Why ganguly failed to win world cups?
Lol ,in how many world cups did Dhoni captain?answer is 5 so far.And in how many world cups did ganguly lead the team as captain?answer is only 1 & he took the team to finals in that after 20 long years,& as I said that World Cup was in RSA(not favourable conditions for India).

2.Why ganguly failed to make India no.1 in tests & ODIs?
Again u can read this in answers of class of jaguar or desiboy,India were #8 when ganguly became captain,he took them till #2.When Dhoni becomes captain India were already #2,he takes them till #1 but those whitewashes against oz & eng bring them down to #5.

And as far as u saying that ganguly team had great players,no that's totally false.Again read desiboy answer,dravid & Laxman had done nothing of note before he became captain(compare their average before he become captain & after he become captain),& Sachin too was in lean patch.He installed aggressive atti
Update 4: attitude in youngsters like Yuvraj,sehwag,Harbhajan,zaheer & dravid-laxman(who were also youngsters those days) & made them a great team with wonderful players.He converted what was an ordinary team into one of a top class competing side.No way ganguly had a strong team.He had the weakest possible team which was... show more attitude in youngsters like Yuvraj,sehwag,Harbhajan,zaheer & dravid-laxman(who were also youngsters those days) & made them a great team with wonderful players.He converted what was an ordinary team into one of a top class competing side.No way ganguly had a strong team.He had the weakest possible team which was ranked #8 in tests. Dhoni actually had the strongest team(which was ranked #2 in tests),& as i said when dhoni became captain,those 5 Indian batsmen averaged above 50 for over 4 years & yet he couldn't achieve dominance.
Update 5: And I agree that if Dhoni can do well as captain & win the series in South Africa tour this year & England tour next year,then he can come few more steps closer to dada,or even actually equal him.
Update 6: MBIOF,I don't need to tell again & again that Ganguly was the second highest run scorer of 2003 World Cup only behind Sachin.Only Sachin & ganguly made the bulk of the scoring throughout the World Cup.Rest of the batsmen only played supporting role.Have u really watched the 2003 World Cup?if u have then u must... show more MBIOF,I don't need to tell again & again that Ganguly was the second highest run scorer of 2003 World Cup only behind Sachin.Only Sachin & ganguly made the bulk of the scoring throughout the World Cup.Rest of the batsmen only played supporting role.Have u really watched the 2003 World Cup?if u have then u must have seen how ganguly saved the team in the super 6 match against Kenya when team had lost 3 wickets chasing a tough target.& who will forget ganguly's century in the semi-finals of same World Cup?
Update 7: & u make me laugh when u say going from #8 to #2 was very easy,that's funny..and how long did India be at #1 under Dhoni?& how long was Australia #1?india must be the only team to collapse from #1 to #5 in such a short span of time(around 5 months).
Update 8: Its a well known fact that ganguly did not have a good team.people with high degree of maturity can easily understand it. & as u only say Dhoni has been given an extended chance to captain the team,so he has been a captain for longer period than ganguly despite 8-0 whitewash.And ganguly was dropped from the side... show more Its a well known fact that ganguly did not have a good team.people with high degree of maturity can easily understand it.

& as u only say Dhoni has been given an extended chance to captain the team,so he has been a captain for longer period than ganguly despite 8-0 whitewash.And ganguly was dropped from the side just for losing odi series 2-4 to Pakistan & he was treated very badly at the end of his career,although a issues with greg chappel & not getting support from jealous selfish captain called "Dhoni" hurt him & he was forced to retire when he was at the peak of his test career.
Update 9: Just go through this article where there is a point about the kind of team ganguly had when he was asked to be captain.Also the answer of desiboy,CJ tells the same.

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_ms-...
Update 10: Just go through this article where there is a point about the kind of team ganguly had when he was asked to be captain.Also the answer of desiboy,CJ tells the same.

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_ms-...
Update 11: Just go through this article where there is a point about the kind of team ganguly had when he was asked to be captain.Also the answer of desiboy,CJ tells the same.
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_ms-...
Update 12: If u can't blame Dhoni for those whitewashes then there is no way you can give him credit for taking India to #1 in tests & ODIs and winning the World Cups.At the end of the day that's the fact & that's the only truth.
Update 13: Dhoni has been given an extended run as captain of the side even after that 8-0 whitewashes & 1-2 loss to England.Thats because Dhoni has political support of BCCI chief n Srinivasan(owner of chennai super kings) & also there is no other suitable replacement as captain for him. But when ganguly was captain,dravid... show more Dhoni has been given an extended run as captain of the side even after that 8-0 whitewashes & 1-2 loss to England.Thats because Dhoni has political support of BCCI chief n Srinivasan(owner of chennai super kings) & also there is no other suitable replacement as captain for him.

But when ganguly was captain,dravid probably became the player to spend longest time as vice captain,so many wanted to make Dravjd captain & also ganguly Didnt have support from selectors later on in his career.Ganguly had issues with Greg chappel,he was repeatedly dropped from the team & treated very badly.he was in top form of his test career in 2008 but selfish jealous captain dhoni never supported him & he was forced to retire.

That's another reason why Dhoni will have more wins than ganguly,he is being captain for longer period despite huge failures.
Update 14: Dinith I agree with u that Dhoni was the man who made India overcome the habit of losing in finals(not to forget the cb series win in 2008 in Australian soil),but with that being said,that alone will not make him a better captain than ganguly because you have to consider the other factors as well including the kind... show more Dinith I agree with u that Dhoni was the man who made India overcome the habit of losing in finals(not to forget the cb series win in 2008 in Australian soil),but with that being said,that alone will not make him a better captain than ganguly because you have to consider the other factors as well including the kind of team which ganguly had to mould-during that period every player like Sachin stepped down from captaincy,no one stepped forward to take the captaincy & ganguly took them from #8 to #2 in tests.He led the team with more aggression,with an attitude to win.

And about 2011 World Cup,yes it's big winning at home,but the credit of that win should go to Sachin,Yuvraj Singh,gambhir,raina,Kohli & sehwag who all contributed with the bat in many matches & helped them go to the finals.Dhoni was the one who played no part with the bat till they reached finals.Note that here all batsmans contributed amongst runs with the bat.

Whereas in 2003,Sachin & ganguly did the bulk of scorin
Update 15: Whereas in 2003,Sachin & ganguly did the bulk of scoring.Yuvraj & sehwag were still not so established batsmen those days,& also we had kaif & Dinesh mongia.Tendulkar made 673 runs in that World Cup averaging 61.18 with 1 century whereas ganguly made 465 runs averaging 58.12 with 3 centuries(that's captain... show more Whereas in 2003,Sachin & ganguly did the bulk of scoring.Yuvraj & sehwag were still not so established batsmen those days,& also we had kaif & Dinesh mongia.Tendulkar made 673 runs in that World Cup averaging 61.18 with 1 century whereas ganguly made 465 runs averaging 58.12 with 3 centuries(that's captain taking responsiblity).

And ganguly took India to World Cup finals after 20 long years.When it happened in 2011 it was just after 8 years that we made to World Cup finals once again.
Update 16: Also Dhoni as a captain has made tactically many wrong decisions & his methods in captaincy has been criticized many times.This never happened to ganguly.After winning the 2011 World Cup,dhoni became lazy,did not do anything from his side for the team & the results were displayed in those 0-8 whitewash & home... show more Also Dhoni as a captain has made tactically many wrong decisions & his methods in captaincy has been criticized many times.This never happened to ganguly.After winning the 2011 World Cup,dhoni became lazy,did not do anything from his side for the team & the results were displayed in those 0-8 whitewash & home series loss to England.After that his captaincy came under threat & now he is again giving his best.

Common..losing 0-8 or failing to make to semis of World Cup 3 consecutive times can't make u the best.There is some error.But I agree that he has been quite successful in ODIs,but even here ,its not so much,remember the recent 0-3 odi series defeat in England or not making it to even finals of 2012 cb series in Australia & many series after that including recent 1-2 defeat to Pakistan.
Update 17: Steve Waugh feels ganguly is much better captain than dhoni:

http://scganguly.com/2012/01/ganguly-cap...
Update 18: Mbiof ganguly himself scored 3 centuries in the 2003 World Cup & led india to finals.That was caltain leading from front.Now How many centuries did Dhoni score in 2011 World Cup(or atleast half-centuries for that matter)?Now that's another real difference b/w Dhoni & ganguly.Also did Dhoni save the team when it... show more Mbiof ganguly himself scored 3 centuries in the 2003 World Cup & led india to finals.That was caltain leading from front.Now How many centuries did Dhoni score in 2011 World Cup(or atleast half-centuries for that matter)?Now that's another real difference b/w Dhoni & ganguly.Also did Dhoni save the team when it was most required during the quarter finals against Australia or the semi finals against Pakistan?

And dhoni is yet to prove himself as a batsman outside the subcontinent.He is yet to score a 100 outside the subcontinent.All these are facts only..
Update 19: As CJ said ganguly knew how to bring the best out of his players.CJ applied it only for sehwag & Harbhajan,I would apply it for all others including dravid,Laxman,Yuvraj,sehwag,Harbhajan ,agarkar,Zaheer khan,Nehra,sreenath,etc.Few people say he had a strong team but the truth is he brought the best out of the team... show more As CJ said ganguly knew how to bring the best out of his players.CJ applied it only for sehwag & Harbhajan,I would apply it for all others including dravid,Laxman,Yuvraj,sehwag,Harbhajan ,agarkar,Zaheer khan,Nehra,sreenath,etc.Few people say he had a strong team but the truth is he brought the best out of the team he had & made it a strong team & everyone knows this.
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