Anonymous asked in Politics & GovernmentPolitics · 8 years ago

Are the democrat party and government teachers unions overseeing the demise of our education system?

This is how well government teachers do their job:

-12/7/07 Washington Post: “The scores from the 2006 Program for International Student Assessment showed that U.S. 15-year-olds trailed their peers from many industrialized countries. The average science score of U.S. students lagged behind those in 16 of 30 countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a Paris-based group that represents the world's richest countries. The U.S. students were further behind in math, trailing counterparts in 23 countries.”

-9/24/12…"SAT Reading Scores Are the Lowest They've Been in 40 Years"


The democrat party and government teachers’ unions insist that if they had more money they’d do better, but look at the reality: In constant (inflation adjusted) 2008 dollars the amount spent per pupil in 1960 was $3,394; in 2007 it was $12,463. Cost per pupil has quadrupled in 40 years, and they still “want more.”… National Center for Education Statistics: Average salaries for full-time teachers in public and private elementary and secondary schools: 2007-08

-Government school teachers: $53,230

-Private school teachers: $39,690

Here’s the perfect example which gives the lie to “More money means better educated kids”:

9/17/12 “With an average salary of $76,000, Chicago teachers are among the highest-paid in the nation...”

They went on strike last summer for more money – and got more. Why? For great performance? Clearly not: In Illinois the Chicago School District ranks 691st out of of 768 cities.

But the democrat party (for obvious reasons) and the teachers’ unions, year in and year out, simply demand, “More money!”… Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012):

-The National Education Association (largest government teachers’ union) gave $43,613,263: 71% went to democrats, 5% to Republicans.

-The American Federation of Teachers (second largest government teachers’ unions) gave $34,698,466: 86% went to democrats, 0% to Republicans.

12 Answers

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago
    Favorite Answer

    At $12,000 per student, multiplied by say 30 students per class, that

    adds up to $360,000 per classroom per year. Out of that total amount,

    the teacher gets perhaps $50,000 (or less). Where does the rest of the

    money go? $310,000 goes to "administration", which is another way of saying

    to the unions. THAT screwed up ratio is what is wrong with the education system today, not the ratio of students to teachers,

    and THAT is why it will never change. Because there is just too much

    money and power involved in keeping the status quo.

    Now add Arnie Duncan to the mix. He is the same guy responsible for

    screwing up the Chicago public school system, so of course his buddy

    Obama puts him in charge of ALL the schools in the nation. And you seen the result.

    Nothing will change until the money hungry unions, such as the NEA, are completely

    divorced from the educational process. Their agenda is NOT education,

    but rather to simply ensure their own survival at any cost.

  • 8 years ago

    1. It is very difficult to compare test scores of students in the US with other countries. The US educates any student who shows up, all students are tested and all results are part of the average...this is not true in other countries.

    Even the reading scores being the lowest in 40 years is skewed. Special education students have not always been tested and when they were their scores were not included, which is no longer the case.

    2. Comparing the per pupil cost in 1964 with now is flawed...special education services drastically raise the per pupil cost, these services were not offered/required in 1964.

    3. Try teaching in CPS vs. your average rural or suburban school...tell me who you think deserves a higher salary.

    4. When is the last time you volunteered in a public school? It may open your eyes a bit...

  • 8 years ago

    The problem with public education is pretty simple to find. We are still educating kids in the same model that we educated them in the 1950s, a one-size fits all educational factory. Teachers unions, standardized tests, and binding state standards all contribute to this problem. The problem with this model is that it has not changed in the last sixty years even though we know a lot more about how people learn and the differences in learning styles. I also feel that we don't really know what our main objective of a primary and secondary education is in this country. Is the objective to provide people with the basic skills needed to be an educated citizen? Is it to prepare people for education at the college level? Is it to give people the needed skills to be competitive in the 21st century global workforce?

  • 8 years ago

    Upon gaining political power and collective bargaining rights, the the primary focus of the educational establishment became the educational bureaucracy. This has been successful to the point that 'educators' now comprise the largest representation at the Democratic National Convention.

    The downfall of American education correlates very nicely with educations increase in political clout.


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  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    Watch the movie Waiting on Superman

  • 8 years ago

    Teachers' unions can be an impediment to improving the education system, but it's overly simplistic to place all the blame on unions and Democrats.

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    They sure are part of the problem

    Spending on education is enormous. Take a look at your property taxes.

    Yet the educational system doesn't produce enough scholars to do any of the engineering, medical or high tech jobs we need.

  • PoBoy
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    No. The demise of our social institutions, including our schools, is being driven by social conservatives and their extremist agenda.

    Try teaching an eight year old, who was born to a 15 year old single, crack addicted mom, whose grandmother was 30 and single and also an addict. You try it. My wife does it every day.

    Good luck.

  • Bug
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    So, using your logic, since the number of terrorist attacks has INCREASED every year since 2001, then obviously throwing MORE money at Defense is a waste.

    More money obviously isn't the answer, right?

  • Erik
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    I guess Conservative states are leading the world in education right? Since Democrats are to blame? How's your schools in Mississippi doing?

    Nice cut and paste job...the links don't work.

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