Battery as input for Grid Tie inverter, possible?

Me and friends are trying to do a project wherein we have to setup a solar powered system which is connected to a grid-tie inverter. However, what I want is, the solar panels will charge only the batteries and will not directly flow to the inverter. My problem is, most Solar power companies tell us that using Battery as source into the Grid tie inverter is well, "risky". I wonder why they say so since the voltage and current charge will not overcharge the inverter since it has a charge controller. Any view about this? Thank you!

Update:

Ah thanks, however (sorry for not mentioning earlier), we are not using the battery while it is charging. We will allot a time frame for charging it and we will start using it once it is completely charged. Is it still safe?

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  • 7 years ago
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    Hey Jcd, Ecko has some good advice here, but I think you both might be missing the central point here. Using a straight Grid Tie inverter to take battery power and feed it into the grid is like trying to tow a car with a boat. Even if you have water nearby the road, the equipment was never designed to do what you are planning, and the chance that something will get damaged in the end goes up exponentially. A grid tie inverter is not programmable, and that is really the achilles heal to your plan. It will come on and drain the battery power at whatever maximum wattage the inverter is designed to operate at until the battery is drained far enough for its voltage to fall below the inverters minumum operating voltage, and then it will quit.

    There are three basic kinds of inverters in the world. The stand alone, which hooks to a battery and creates AC power to run its own loads. The intertie, which takes DC power from a continuous source, such as a solar array, and creates AC power that is synchronized with another power source, such as the grid, or a generator. And the third and least common, the Utility Interactive Inverter. This type of inverter is basically a hybrid. It can work as a stand alone, or can be connected to the grid to parallel power out, but it has to be programmed with commands like battery float voltage, periodic equalization specs, and so on. This type inverter is designed to parallel with the grid, but must have a battery connected to operate at all. A good example of this is the one we've been using for 12 years now to power our home and tie with the grid, a Schneider Electric (formerly Xantrex) model SW-4024. How it works is you have your battery bank which is charged by whatever source you have, such as a wind turbine, solar array, micro hydro turbine and so on. The inverter takes whatever power from the battery it needs to in order to keep the battery voltage at the "set" point. In our case, 26.5 VDC. It converts this power to AC to match the grid and feeds the power out at whatever rate it needs to to keep the battery at the programmed set voltage. As the solar array, or turbine add power to the battery, the voltage tries to climb, and the inverter pulls more out of the battery, seeking to bring it back down to set point voltage.

    Only these "interactive" type inverters can accomplish these things correctly and safely. In your setup, it will always be impossible to have the inverter take only the power it should from the battery bank to sell back to the grid, because it doesn't know any better. This is akin to trying to heat your home with a very large furnace that has no thermostat, and you are trying to tell it how many hours to operate each day to keep the house at the desired temperature. This is why we have utility interactive inverters, and thermostats, they keep the batteries from dieing, and houses from overheating. It might be possible to use a voltage sensative switch to monitor the battery state of charge, and tell the inverter when to come on and off, but you'll also need some way to keep the inverter from draining the battery power too quickly, since a battery will deliver whatever it can when any load is connected. When a solar array is connected to an intertie inverter, the solar array decides what amperage it can deliver, and the inverter takes what the array can deliver. A battery bank can deliver whatever it takes to melt the cables, and an intertie inverter does not know how to say "no." Even if you were successful at controlling the intertie inverter with a voltage sensative switch, you would be turning the inverter completely on and off hundreds of times a day, and by the end of the month, you would be buying a new inverter. Use a truck to tow that broken down car Jcd, and a thernostat to keep the house warm. And while you're at it, get an interactive inverter to connect your batteries to the grid. Good luck with the project by the way, and take care, Rudydoo.

    Source(s): Xantrex/Schneider Electric Systems Home Power Magazine, homepower.com Solar Energy International, solarenergy.org Midwest Renewable Energy Association MREA.ORG
  • 3 years ago

    Battery-based Grid-tie Inverter

  • Ecko
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    7 years ago

    Maybe just being cautious, as the grid tie inverter is not intended for this, and the design details are not known. The main difference is the battery can supply a large current, more or less whatever the demand is, whereas the current from the panels is limited. It seems to me that with a MPPT controller, the inverter will keep increasing the current drawn from the battery until it reaches the inverter limits of output power. Normal operation is that it would find the maximum power point of the solar array. The battery should be in the range of voltages for the inverter input at all times, usually several hundred volts.

    In my mind, this seems to lead to a sort of 'race issue' for charging the battery, where the inverter will adjust to drain off the charge as quickly as it can till the battery is discharged completely, making it difficult for the solar panels to catch up. There are definitely some unknowns here, and it doesn't seem straightforward.

    Look up SMA for "sunny island" in the link below. They definitely have inverters that run from batteries, to form a stand alone "island grid" that can have grid tie inverters connected to it. You could contact them for advice. They also have a German head office if you prefer.

    Frankly, it is not clear what you want to do, but I cannot see why you want to use batteries to feed into a grid. Batteries are expensive and waste at least 40% of the power on a charge discharge cycle. Thus it seems you might want a stand alone (island) or a standby (backup) system, which SMA does cater for.

  • 5 years ago

    yes you can use a battery as input voltage for your grid tie inverter, as long you are using a GTIL inveter { GRID TIE INVERTER WITH LIMITER } I am using this for a year already

    • armin3 years agoReport

      Hi, do you have to match battery amp hrs?
      I have 2400 ah capacity and 22-60v inverter 1000w.
      rgds AB
      ps.you are ahead in this games

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  • How about considering using the grid converter to produce 24v and inject it going to your grid tie inverter. What will be the result??? Any idea?

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    Yes.

    Source(s): Logic.
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