why is god in the OT is so cruel ?

god was very cruel in the old old testament and put hateful laws ?

why did he do that and why dont we follow those laws anymore , since jesus said he didnt came

to stop the OT laws

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  • 8 years ago
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    Your Christian Bible rearranged and made translation tweaks to the Tanakh ( Hebrew Bible) but it is obvious reading the five answers that appeared before I went to go compose this answer that they've not actually read even the Christian "Old Testament" let alone the actual Tanakh to think that God would lie that the covenant He called ETERNAL more than a dozen times, would be done away with by an incarnate manifestation of God when God also said in the Torah God does not become a man.!

    Answer from someone who has read the Tanakh:

    How a Creator of all humans who are all equal before God, who wants us to live in justice, mercy and compassion in a Torah ( law, teaching, eternal covenant) that teaches that all humans can directly know and connect to God and who can merit forgiveness through teshuvah .. repentance and return through amends and striving to righteousness..is somehow, in some alternate reality a vengeful, cruel and unforgiving God..makes no sense.

    Contrast that to the New Testament’s antithesis that redefined the nature of God into an incarnate deity ( mangod) who demands blind adherence to a belief system contradictory to the Torah’s promotion of personal accountability and justice and condemns all outside that to eternal torture in an underworld hell ruled by a demon Deity of the underworld. I see it as cruel to abdicate personal accountability and condemn one no matter how righteous, to eternal torture because they don’t worship a man as a god to be the vengeful deity and the one that does not promote justice and mercy.

    I'll stick with the belief that those who strive to live righteous in love and brotherhood to our fellow man can all deserve blessing and the Torah's concept that God has always been and shall forever remain directly accessible to everyone.

    The Christian bible changes so many things about the Hebrew Bible..the nature of God, the nature of humans, the relationship between God and humanity and the Hebrew Bible does not have the Christian concepts of "original sin"..or salvation.

    a Biblical perspective the Torah's concept of forgiveness and repentance (teshuvah)

    In the Torah, the process is threefold: 1)confess/acknowledge the wrongdoing 2)one must regret the wrongdoing and do your best to make amends,

    lastly, 3) turn away from doing the wrong and not do it again.

    This is most often represented using two concepts, nicham (to feel regret or sorrow) and shuv (to return)

    `When a man or woman wrongs another in any way and so is unfaithful to the Eternal, that person is guilty and must confess the sin he has committed. He must make full restitution for his wrong, add one fifth to it and give it all to the person he has wronged. [Numbers 5:6-7]

    30:8 You will repent and obey God, keeping all His commandments, as I prescribe them to you today.

    Ve'atah tashuv veshamata bekol Adonay ve'asita et-kol-mitsvotav asher anochi metsavecha hayom.

    Deuteronomy 30:8 note the Hebrew word "tashuv" there

    God is omnipotent, thus there is no one who has capacityto "stop" the eternal laws of God. They remain intact and the eternal covenant exists today. The laws of the covenant of Israel were not for anyone other than the covenant nation Israel. There are seven of the 613 commandments that were given to all humanity.

    Teshuvah is a way to better ourselves by admitting when we do something wrong to hurt or harm or act in selfishness, to make amends with acts as best we can, ask the one wronged to pardon us and we make a sincere effort to not do the same mistake, then we ask God to forgive us and expect that it will be granted if we do our part.

    We are taught through Tanakh that the non -repentant, who lives in denial, selfishness, lack of accountability, abdication of responsibility..and who, despite repeated opportunity even in death, remains non-repentant after punishment..will die. Their soul loses the potential for *immortality* in the reconnection to the Divine.

    There is no "Old Testament" for adherents of the Torah, Nevim, and Ketuvim ( Law/teaching, Prophets, and Writings), we have an eternal testament..or covenant.

    You're free to your own religion and you're free to consider the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and whom all Israel heard directly and experienced the Divine at Sinai who established the eternal covenant with God..cruel for the laws, very radical in their day for promotion of justice, mercy and that forbade human sacrifice, and that declared all humans were equal before the law and not even kings were above it..in a land and time when kings were gods and whose whims no matter how cruel were the only laws of the land.

    I'm also free to consider it illogical and unjust to abdicate personal accountability for reliance upon a one time, one size fits all human sacrifice as a ticket to avoid eternal torture.

  • 8 years ago

    "god was very cruel in the old old testament and put hateful laws ?"

    Is that a question? Still, if you're going to raise a question based on a premise, your question should actually establish what that premise is, and not assume that it's universally accepted. Arguably, god is harsh, but not cruel - that's an argument but I would not base a question on that statement as universally accepted.

    "why did he do that and why dont we follow those laws anymore"

    do what? what laws? Your question asks nothing of substance.

    "since jesus said he didnt came to stop the OT laws"

    Would any of those laws involve writing in coherent English and require proofreading?

  • 8 years ago

    God is not arbitrary, nor is He contradictory. Therefore He can’t express any of His attributes at the expense of any other. Throughout the Old Testament times, He was constrained in expressing His love for His creation because His needs for justice and righteousness had not been met.  During those times He was known as an angry and jealous God who periodically brought judgment upon the disobedient world.

    At the cross His needs for justice and righteousness were finally met and He was free to express His love (Colossians 1:19-20). Although only those in the Church accepted the sacrifice that made this possible, the whole world has been blessed by His love for the Church, in that His anger has been held in check.  Because of the presence of the Church in the world, love has become His most obvious attribute.

    But one day soon, He’ll take the Church out of the world (1 Thes. 4:16-17).  Once we’re gone God will vent the full fury of His wrath on those who’ve rejected the most incredible gift of love the world has ever known, and by the time it’s over man will be scarcer than pure gold (Matt. 24:21-22, Isaiah 13:12). Then His need for justice and righteousness will have been satisfied, and He’ll be free to express His love again and peace will flow like a river across the world (Isaiah 66:12).

  • Paul
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    You will find that it's the same God. Times and morality have changed so the laws that are needed have changed.

    Do you know what happens to people who believe in absolute morality (right is right and wrong is wrong at all times in all circumstances)? They fail to adapt to changing times and get into deep trouble.

    Is cannibalism hateful? If you live in a civilised society far removed from the basic needs for survival where you could pick up the phone and order a pizza or go to the fridge and heat up a ready meal of course you will be able to sit in your comfortable chair and moralise about other societies as they struggle to put food in their bellys and avoid the cold. If you were in a plane crash on a mountain top with no food anywhere and eating the corpses of those who died in the crash meant the difference between staying alive long enough to be rescued and dying of starvation, those who accept that morality changes with the circumstances get to live and those who are morally intransigent die - it's just that simple.

    Now consider a brutal society where harsh laws and harsh punishments mean the difference between that socieity surviving and that society perishing.

    As for God being cruel in the OT - did you know this verse is in the OT?

    Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

    and kind in the New - have you read this verse?

    Acts 5:9-10 Peter said to her, "How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also." 10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.

    Please let's dispell two great myths about God that seem to plague those who know very little about Christianity.

    1. God is NOT a sadistic tyrant dangling people over the fires of hell just looking for an excuse to drop them in.

    2. God is NOT a sentimental pushover so full of love and mercy that you can get away with anything you like and get forgiven just for saying sorry at the last minute.

    Both of these concepts of God are distortions of the reality.

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  • 8 years ago

    The laws in the old testament are to be followed Jesus said it himself.

    "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

    People in the middle ages followed the old testament, people today just like to pick and choose what they like.

  • 8 years ago

    God is a God of love and mercy but is also a God of justice and judgment.

    Those laws you refer to were given to the Jews at Mt. Sinai to help them adjust to being a free people in society. The law that transcends the covenants is the one that Jesus quotes in Matthew 22:37-40, which, in essence contains all the principles of what loving God and neighbor are about. Christians live the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law. Since God is love, it makes sense that Jesus talks about spiritually loving God, others and self.

  • 8 years ago

    God warned people directly and indirectly through prophets. Whatever God said would happen always came to pass, but human beings are usually proud and ignorant. Unwillingness to honor God incurs His wrath. And it still does, but Jesus is the reason why He does not completely obliterate everyone. Even during the Flood, Jesus aka the Son was present and spared Noah and his family.

  • The one new idea promulgated by the Christian religion was the concept of a loving God. Prior to that, all Gods were vengeful gods, full of fire and brimstone.

    The people who developed the Christian dogma thought that the idea of a loving God would work better since it was such a new idea, so they built the concept of the old laws being no longer applicable into their writings.

  • Anonymous
    4 years ago

    <<Catholics: Why is god interior the OT is so merciless ?>> Why is GOD so merciless? Why is GOD so merciless? heavily? have you ever study the previous testomony? God grow to be the Guiding easy to the classic Hebrews, an obstinate human beings, who returned and returned rebelled against Jesus. <<god grow to be very merciless interior the previous previous testomony and placed hateful rules ?>> at the same time with? <<why did he snip the OT rules>> The previous testomony pertains to the previous Covenant - which grow to be FULFILLED via Jesus Christ. He has because customary a sparkling Covenant and a sparkling Covenant Church and that's the "regulation" we save on with immediately.

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    Elie Wiesel told a story of how Man offered to change places with God for a day. God said,"Aren't you afraid?" Man said,"No,are you?" God said,"yes, I am." They then traded places. At the end of the day Man who was now God refused to change back. This explains Man's relationship to God, today.

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