How long can a democracy last?

In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.

A democracy will continue to exist up until

the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority

always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200

years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence;

From dependence back into bondage."

The Obituary follows:

Born 1776, Died 2012

It doesn't hurt to read this several times.

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29

Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the

"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population

already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's - and they vote - then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom..

This is truly scary

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  • 8 years ago
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    Yes that is true.Every Democracy has fallen.That is why our wise Founders made us a Constitutional Republic.

    • Janet6 years agoReport

      Who ever voted you down should leave our great Constitutional Republic...this is the problem though Jane....our last few presidents have chosen to treat America as democracy....sad but true, our constitution and bill of rights are being ignored and interpreted by people with ulterior motives....

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  • 6 years ago

    I agree with you, Gunsrfunmg! The original poster needs to read Plebius and Aristotle's theory of anacyclosis, the cyclical theory of political evolution. What they, and many other modern political scientists and economists, believe is the end comes shortly after the rich elite have plundered all of their money streams (i.e., developing nations that sell the imperial power low cost goods, corporations that pay the elite senior management ridiculous salaries even when running the companies into the ground and taking corporate welfare from U.S. taxpayers, exploiting the poor and middle class with elite money pumps that inflate low value goods like mortgage backed loans, etc.).

    Currently, the poor and middle class don't run the government or run it into the ground for that matter. The rich do! The rich bolster political candidates from both parties and they win no matter who wins the election. The elected official now owes the elite something and it typically comes in the form of tax breaks, both personal and corporate, for the elite contributors. This same elite also hogs all of the best opportunities. The place their children or relatives or comrades into the best, most financially benefit positions in the country. Their kids attend the best colleges and primary schools. This squeezes the available opportunites for the poor and middle class. It doesn't matter how hard you work, the vast majority of poor and middle class people will never be wealthy.

    So, ultimately, it's the elite that run a country, including the U.S., into the ground... not the poor or the middle class. But, of course, that's what the elite market to un-educated, overly-religious white males, especially. They are selling you a dream you can never have. A glance into their extravagant fishbowl with a sham ticket that says if you work hard, you'll be able to become part of the club, too. But, it's all a lie. They don't want you. What they do want is for you to keeping voting for them... both politically and socially. They keep your mind trapped on counter-productive issues like religion, abortion, race, and guns, so that you won't wake up and discover that you've been a pawn, an intellectual slave and a naïve soldier in their army against you. Believe me, when the revolution comes, you'll be able to count on your poor, working and middle class comrades. The elite will be on the jets to other countries to settle in and start their game with fresh new slaves. Sorry! You lose!!

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  • 8 years ago

    Not a question but a diatribe but the USA is not a democracy, are founders did not beleive in democracy go check out some quotes by Benjamin Franklyn and Thomas Jefferson about Democracy they did not like it. They set up a republic in which people got to vote on there represenative.

    True demcracys only exist in a form of anarchy and only last about one election then whoever wins usually takes all power and an era of despotisim begins.

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  • 8 years ago

    I actually don't really agree much with what you've posted but it was interesting. What you posted would be true if the people actually controlled the system and were not being gamed by an upper elite for their own agenda. I agree with this however:

    "From bondage to spiritual faith;

    From spiritual faith to great courage;

    From courage to liberty;

    From liberty to abundance;

    From abundance to complacency;

    From complacency to apathy;

    From apathy to dependence;

    From dependence back into bondage."

    The bondage is not toward their own selfish desires (well, at least primarily) but rather a ruling elite that has managed to set up a self perpetuating establishment that cannot be shaken. In the US we call them the Republicans and Democrats and they are headed by Bilderberg and the banking and military industrial complexes. I also agree that empires end because of financial ruin due to an unsustainable imperial expansion and fiat currency.

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  • 8 years ago

    It can last only as long as people are willing to fight for it, which is necessary from time to time. When they become fat and lazy the wanna be dictators are always waiting for their chance. Unfortunately I think that professor is absolutely right. This country has reached the bread and circuses phase of the old Roman Empire, just before it was overrun by the barbarians because it had lost the will to fight and was corrupt to the core, run by incompetent Emperors.

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  • 8 years ago

    Democracies can last until the public and the courts give the biggest holders of the currency more voice than the people. Plutocracies and aristocracies are not democracies.

    Republican economics, social and political policy are destroying our Republic.

    • Janet6 years agoReport

      Democrats are ruining our Country not Republicans

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  • 8 years ago

    No government is permanent. In every system there is always someone who is unhappy, and eventually something happens, a great war or a revolution (etc.). Nothing is forever. Except diamonds. Diamonds are forever.

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  • 8 years ago

    Until the bond market collapses and inflation tops 1970s levels again.

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  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    Cast your vote for me in November and in four years democracy will be gone. Donate to my campaign Obama 2012!

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  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    Looks like ours is almost over.

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