Do progressive liberals believe that "utopia" can be achieved through government control and regulation?

Are leftists Utopians, or statists? Or both?


I am a libertarian overall, except I disagree with libertarians on some issues regarding national defense.

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  • 8 years ago
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    I am a progressive liberal, and damned proud of it. No, I don't believe government control can achieve utopia, but it can certainly improve the situation.

    First of all, there are things that everyone needs, some desperately, that would never come about if we waited for private investment to accomplish them. Like vaccines. Like roads and bridges, education, police and fire protection. The reason government does those is that there's no other way to do them except wicked -socialism-.

    Secondly, capitalism simply won't work without a certain amount of govt. regulation. Too much is as bad as too little, the art is in finding just the right level. But Republicans take the attitude that ANY amount of regulation is just evil. And so since Reagan we've had maybe a dozen major disasters brought about by imprudent deregulation. The S&L disaster, for instance. The housing meltdown. The stockbrokerage meltdown. The insurance meltdown. Enron, remember that one? We still have corporations Too Big To Fail, so this will inevitably happen again.

    I can see you're a libertarian, not a conservative. Conservatives use 'liberal' to describe anyone they disagree with or anything they don't like. For libertarians, it's -statist-. Anyone who believes there even -should- be a state is a -statist-. 8^)

  • 8 years ago

    No, but improvements can be made through the control and regulation of psychotic, profit-driven corporations.

    It's more accurate to say that Dystopia can be achieved by deregulation and the rule of private companies.

    As for whether they are utopians or not... a utopian believes in some superior imaginary society, but does not make any practical connection between their utopia and the modern world, so they have no ideas about how to get there.

    So some leftists are utopians, and certainly all right-wing "libertarians" are utopians (they are the very definition of it!), but most progressives - by the definition of the word "progressive" - are not "utopian" - because their proposals and policies relate directly to making improvements in the real world, rather than some imaginary utopia.

  • Green
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    Governing power controlled by the people to have influence over how society functions, is as close to utopia as we can get, so long as it is done with the care only liberals possess. Liberals have known this for hundreds of years, that is why when they stand up to the few tyrannical miscreants societies usually end up far superior.

    Anarchists, are the only ones that do not want government control. Modern Republicans are nationalists, progressives are the only ones that want a society where every culture can thrive, even the rednecks that despise them so.

  • 8 years ago

    You know, all I expected out of life if I worked hard was a modest home, a car that runs and people food. It's not until all of the get rich quick mutants came along I could do that. We don't all want to be rich so stop blaming us for public schools and expensive health care insurance because we are not worth millions. The rich are catered to and the poor are forgotten. Not at all what this country was founded on.

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  • 8 years ago

    No, Utopia is further down the line when people realise they're mature and civilised enough to live without government.

    But the point in history you're talking about is inevitable. Compare today to 500 years ago and tell me if we could have gotten here without democratic government and regulation?

    The real question is what do government need to control and what regulations are necessary,

  • louisa
    Lv 4
    4 years ago

    You could wish to educate yourself a little bit extra on this. You are in most cases rather younger and parroting your dad and mom and buddies, but I inspire you to believe for yourself.

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    The fallacy of petitio principii, or "begging the question", is committed "when a proposition which requires proof is assumed without proof", or more generally denotes when an assumption is used, "in some form of the very proposition to be proved, as a premise from which to deduce it". Thus, insofar as petitio principii refers to arguing for a conclusion that has already been assumed in the premise, this fallacy consists of "begging" the listener to accept the "question" (proposition) before the labor of logic is undertaken.

  • N
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    beats corporate control and deregulation.

    if corporations are people, as per citizens united, then, like people, they must have laws governing them as well. If I cannot legally poison my neighbors' drinking water, then a corporation should also not be allowed to poison his drinking water. If can't rig my neighbors' car to explode in a collision, then a car company shouldn't be able to.

    Source(s): self-regulation is a myth, a joke, and an insult to our very history which proves it fails.
  • 8 years ago

    The rank-and-file leftists, aka the "useful idiots", do.

    Those in the upper echelon know it's all a ploy to give them perpetual power.

    Source(s): ‡ Corrupt leftists dictate.
  • 8 years ago

    Dude, you were wrong from the very start.

    Problems with progressive liberals is not they want to achieve something unachievable, but they don't really know what to achieve at all.

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