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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 9 years ago

To atheists, about evolutionary theory, how it all began before the start of development?

Basic cell in the universe where it came from?

Update:

#Ray J, because they always defend this theory.

Update 2:

#Question Everything, I am not trying to do this, but I really looking for answers, and I assumed that you have you come to a kind of self-reassurance with regard to this question.

Update 3:

I am not looking for scientific explanation of evolution, I want to know how you atheists convince yourselves that there is a theory explaining the creation of something from nothing

Update 4:

#Ha ha ha!, so the first thing was created from another thing, and that other thing was created from another, etc.. seems logical !!

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    Abiog is just a hypothesis-nothing more & Ev has huge holes=no Ev. Ppl CONFUSE TRUTH(offends many)/HATE/impose human limits/labels 2 God's abilities(call Ev whats ONLY Adapt)=dumb limits-God's Creation order isnt as man thinks/24hr day NOT MADE TILL 4th day/Bible DOESNT SAY earth's age. Scientific-method cant prove BB/BBnc/Ev/Abiog theories-billions of yrs old COLD cases/DIDNT SEE it done. W/o UNCUT film 4 b4 BB/life 2 2day=spec & 1 species' parts in another r just more species. Ev's a lie/calls in2 ? BB/Abiog-universe/we wouldnt exist w/o IDr:

    1. We hv 2 lungs/kidneys/ears, arms/legs-each has a NEAR PERFECT 3D MIRROR-IMAGE companion organ/limb(not a copy). RNA/DNA rep/mirror image amino acid prod CANT EXPLAIN IT AWAY. 2 make mirror-image organs takes FULL REVERSE ENGINEERING/knowledge of companion's functions/purpose or it cant b created 2 perfection in nature(2 WITNESSES in nature=KILLS Ev/Abiog).

    2. Our bodies r highly symmetrical 1 side 2 the other-impossible w/o an outside overview pov 4 full knowledge of whole life-form.

    3. Cells/organisms r just copies of, copy parents'/all ancestors' acts. U wont find a bird building a better nest than parents/chicks build even better nests/bears passing better life 2 cubs. Cells HV 2 LIVES-1 copying parents/1 SECRET, working on improvements or God's the Creator.

    4. Fossil record doesnt hv millions of trial/error phyla that should exist if NS/fittest survivor is Creation source-odds r so great against near perfection 4 many millions of greatly diverse species, such precision cant happen w/o 1rst having full knowledge 4 what 2 do(even adding billions of yrs byond universe start cant solve problem). If not true millions more misfits with mistakes-having only 1/3 eyes in odd places/1 leg growing out of a head/where a fin/arm/wing should b, etc would exist than perfection seen in nature.

    5. Picture u boxed(+near 0 intell)within a microscopic cell-smaller than a txt period/no way 2 sense much beyond ur cell. How can u, with these real limits invent millions of such diverse species 2 perfection in nature? NO OTHER ORGANISMS EXISTED so cells r great geniuses or Ev's a lie.

    6. Cells need DNA 2 function/DNA's useless w/o a cell-which came 1rst a cell or DNA? DNA's very complex(esp 4 higher lifeforms)so odds against figuring out/using DNA(in correct sequences/related processes)is many magnitudes higher than 4 pc program code-useless w/o an IDr 2 identify/assign its proper order. Give apes books-cant learn from whats written w/o intell. DNA's COMMON 2 ALL LIFE-98% of other species' DNA doesnt=Ev.

    7. Look @ ID/knowledge, time/energy used 2 create/improve(many mistakes)airplanes. If ppl didnt learn what 2 do we'd still b grounded.

    8. Creation's astronomically more complex than airplanes-more complex an organism multiplies ID/knowledge needed 2 create it-Creation source is God or it couldnt exist let alone evolve(adapt not Ev built in 4 survival).

    9. Earth has best orbit/gravity/axis/spin/atmosphere, magnet field, water/moon has right size/orbit 4 tidal cycles/many foods tasting good, 4 life~1-2 small diffs 4 orbits/environment=most likely life'd b diff/higher lifeforms die in short time if it survived.

    MICRO ADAPT's legit not macro-Ev. Most is inconclusive @ best/pure conjecture @ worst. Ev processes being Creation source=blind man building a car he's never heard of/seen/touched/heard or rode in-cant b done w/o 1rst teaching him about functions/all parts/car assembly 4 it 2 work(same limits 4 cells=no Ev).

    Only 1 God can occupy infinity, God of Israel=NO CAUSE NEEDED 2 EXIST/declare end from start-only fully proved b/c Jesus is God's Son. Jesus couldnt hv done whats in NT w/o knowing whole OT(impossible w/o God causing it-NT didnt exist yet)/Apostles couldnt write NT w/o Jesus having them remember all He did-Lk 24:25-27,45).

    Most religions r built on ideas/gods man likes-CANT ALL B RIGHT(only 1 Bible-why so many interps? II Pet 1:19-21). Religion doesnt=the truth/cant teach much about God(cant teach what u don't know). NO1 can live W/O BREAKING God's eternal LAW=sin-separates us from God=death-why u need 2 b rightly Born Anew in Jesus. Who knows more about a house-the Builder or ppl moving in later?

    God outsmarted us: reading the Bible(religious/not)u cant find Jesus w/o Bible directions-Jn 5:39/10:1,7/3:3,5/only a Bible cant b rightly known w/o Jesus(Jn 14:6/II Cor 3:14/Is 29:11-12~if Jewish ppl cant unveil OT w/o Jesus all gentiles cant=why many interps exist/called fairy tales). God knew many'd twist His word & used unchangeable system(like God/Jesus/Prv 30:4-6). God's 66 legit Bible Bks/mindset/message 4ever binds OT/NT truth 2 His system. English Standard Version(ESV)is easiest Bible 2 read.

    In history only Jesus said He's the way/truth/life-no1 sees God w/o Him(Jn 14:6/5:39/Acts 4:12)=All new/other claims r false/godless or Jesus is 1 more false prophet 2 ignore.

    voyc4rmwldrns

    Source(s): If Jesus is God's Son Quran/islam(contradicts Bible); LDS/BoM/mormon(no another testament); JWs(twisted NWT/Watchtower/Awake)/Catholics/many Protestants/SDA/moonies/C Scientists/Scientology, Buddhist/Hindus others r wrong on Jesus, demotes Jesus 2 prophet/good man-1 way/another. If He isnt God's Son(false prophet)Bible/all named above r wrong=false prophets. Cant hv it 2 ways-1 Jesus=1 true Gospel-2 Cor 11:4. Many believe in but dont know Jesus-even Satan knows Him. Wrong teaching foundation cancels all ur claims. Calling a dog god doesnt make it God. Jesus wasnt talking out 2 nor 1000s of sides of His mouth=no confusion. Seek Jesus with all ur heart/soul. U'll find God's Kingdom(u shall know the truth/sets u free). Why should God want u 2 live with Him 4ever if u dont want 2 know His way(free will=Jn 1:12-13)? God's truth is 4ever unchanged while man's religions/man-made gods die with him. Click my ID, read answers/hv ?s post/notify me or email ?s-YA cut post text amnt.
  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Before what we call 'biological evolution' there was a process of chemical evolution. Evolution was well underway before the first cell, it started with the big bang when matter started condensing, when our galaxies and solar systems evolved.

    We have drawn an imaginary line in the sand and said 'anything after this is life and anything before this is not', but the truth is we are just a higher order of self organising particles

    Read 'origin of life' by paul davies or look into RNA world theory for more information about the process that proceeded 'abiogenesis'

    EDIT: "I am not looking for scientific explanation of evolution, I want to know how you atheists convince yourselves that there is a theory explaining the creation of something from nothing"

    Straw man alert. Atheists do not believe in 'creation from nothing'. We believe everything has a source, we seek to find out what it is, we just do not make the MASSIVE assumption that it must be some sort of super-powerful intelligent being.

    You believe God exists eternally without cause, atheists believe the laws of physics or some other superstructure exists eternally without cause. Both are equally valid and equally absurd. The only difference is you make assumptions and stories about the first cause being like us, having human like qualities like judgment and wrath. God is even depicted as an old man on a cloud. And you ridicule atheists...

  • 9 years ago

    Evo/devo isn't my specialty, but from what I know of it, the basic prokaryotic cell likely developed from lipid membrane-encapsulated catalytic RNAs. If you really want to know detailed ideas about how it *might* have happened, try some science forums or e-mail people researching the topic. This isn't a good place to find real information, which is unfortunate.

    EDIT: "I am not looking for scientific explanation of evolution, I want to know how you atheists convince yourselves that there is a theory explaining the creation of something from nothing"

    The problem is that you don't understand our position here. Most of us do not believe that "something was created from nothing." Most theists believe that.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    For the last time, we aren't all bloody scientists. If you want a real answer post it in the biology section instead of putting here as a pathetic attempt to make yourself feel superior.

    Edit: We all defend the theory because there is scientific fact to back it up. Read a book, go visit a museum for crying out loud my might learn something.

    Edit: Honestly I haven't looked into it much, but since 99% of biologists accept it as a fact that is enough for me. Still curious to why you've posted this in R&S instead of the Biology section confuses me, do you want proper answers or not? It doesn't matter who they come from, atheist or not.

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  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    I want to know how you atheists convince yourselves that there is a theory explaining the creation of something from nothing

    We don't that is the fundie position. First there was nothing and then magically there was everything. the rest of us believe that there was a singularity, possiblly from the collapse of the previous universe, that expanded into this universe.

  • Check out The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis by Dr. Jack Szostak. It makes a very good case for the naturalistic development of cellular live from nonliving material!

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    We don't know yet. Just like we didn't know how many planets there were in our solar system once. It most likely along the lines of abiogenesis, and Harvard estimates that we will have the answers to abiogenesis within the next 20 years or so.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Actually the evolution theory is not about how life came to exist. Please try again. I reccommend asking in a science section and using the word abiogenesis.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Is it too much to ask that you educate yourself enough to ask a legitimate question?

    Evolution has nothing to do with how life began, and atheism has nothing to do with either of them. And it's theists who claim something was created from nothing.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Why are asking atheists?

    Being an atheist doesn't make someone an expert on evolution.

  • 9 years ago

    atheist =/= evolutionary biologist

    evolution =/= atheism

    abiogenesis =/= evolution

    "a cell" =/= start of abiogenesis

    argument from ignorance or personal incredulity = fallacy

    unknowns =/= a god did it

    Source(s): something from nothing =/= scientific view something from nothing = what gods are claimed to do It's always funny to see ignorant yokels deride others for stating they don't know something when their answer for everything is "my magic sky clown did it".
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