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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 9 years ago

why did jehovah witnesses say jesus was invisible when it clearly says in the bible he will be visible?

in the sky.

the bible says do not take out and do not add, they are guilty of adding. SATAN!!!!!

Am i right? Ye?

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  • Anonymous
    9 years ago
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    Greetings,

    Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses know that the Bible teaches that Christ's "return" would be invisible and that True Worshipers would be able to confidently discern that time period.

    We know without doubt that Christ began what Mt. 24:3 calls his PAROUSIA by and taking up his kingdom power in 1914 because both the chronology of Daniel pinpointing 1914 and the events foretold in Mat.24 (cf.2Tim3:1-5) offer proof. Christ is present in the sense that he turned his attention to the earth. As a mighty spirit creature, he doesn't have to literally be on or near the earth to take action against his enemies. He can do it from a distance, in this case from the "heavenly" spirit realm.

    When his apostles asked him about his parousia, Jesus did not say: "You can't miss me, I'll be visible to all." Instead he gave them a composite "sign" that would enable his followers to recognize the period of his "presence" as well as "the conclusion of the system of things." This "sign" would be made up of 39 different facets or events (Mt.24; Mk.13; Lk.21; Cf. 2Tim.3:1-5; 2Pt.3:3, 4; Rev.6:1-8; 11:18; 12:10-12).

    All the facets would be things that would have global impact and would affect all mankind, not just certain areas. It would be like a "beginning of labor pangs" and signal a beginning of "woes for earth." The cumulative “sign” would get worse as time went on and not cease until the end.

    We can conclusively demonstrate that all 39 facets have been fulfilled since 1914.

    Every explicit Scripture absolutely confirms that Christ now has an invisible spirit body rather than a physical one.

    1Cor.15:45: "Christ became a life-giving spirit." The context is also explicit that those resurrected to heaven have spirit bodies not fleshly (1Cor.15:35- 49,50; 1 Pet. 3:18; 2Cor.5:1-4, 2Pt.1:13-14; 1Tim.3:15-16; Heb. 1:3,4; cf. Mt.24:43- 44; Rev. 3:3; 16:15; 1Thes.5:2-6.)

    Some people use verses which say "every eye will see him" as evidence that Christ will return with a fleshly body (Mt.24:30; 26:64; Rev.1:7). However, interpreting these verses in this way causes a contradiction in Christ's own words since he specifically and pointedly said: "The world will see me no more, but you will see me (Jn 14:19).

    So the apostles will literally see him but "the world" will not. The only reason his Apostles will see him is because they will be in heaven with him (Jn.14:2,3). But on earth they would "see him no more" after his ascension. (16:10,16,17,19,22). For anyone on earth this obviously supports only a *figurative* seeing, even by disciples. Therefore, the only logical explanation for the world not seeing him, yet believers seeing him is that he would be invisible.

    In the bible the word "see" can be used in a figurative or spiritual sense, of mental sight, to "discern, perceive."-Liddell and Scott's Lexicon

    We have the same type of problem with the Scriptural statements that some "saw" God (Ex.24:10, Isa.6:1, Job 42:5), yet the Bible also says "no one can see God" (Jn.1:18, Ex. 33:20, 1Jn:4:12). Again, either we have a contradiction, or the "seeing" is figurative. This one is easy to resolve, since we have no theological pressures. Humans only saw God's activity or in visions.

    And in the context of each of these verses we have definite indications that "seeing" the returning Christ is a figurative seeing. Because *EVERY* Scripture that says those on earth will "see" him associates his coming with "clouds" which are a symbol of invisibility in the Bible.

    Now, the above reasons are pretty good indications that Christ now has a spirit body and his return will be invisible and only discerned by perceiving his activity.

    The scriptures also state that Jesus and the saints will have "spirit" bodies like the angels. That a fleshly body cannot be in heaven. That Jesus cannot be seen. They consistently and explicitly contrast a body of flesh and a heavenly spirit body. At his resurrection from the dead, Jesus was brought forth with a spirit body. Conversely there is no explicit Scripture that states he has a body of flesh, only some that could imply that if we didn't have the above.

    "Corporeal visibility to men in the present life is a dream, altogether unsanctioned in the New Testament, and calculated from age to age to involve feeble believers in disappointment."— Glasgow; The Apocalypse, Translated and Expounded, p. 126. Edinburgh, 1872.

    Yours,

    BAR-ANERGES

  • gary d
    Lv 4
    9 years ago

    ISAIAH 30:27 Look! The name of Jehovah is coming from far away, burning with his anger and with heavy clouds.

    We all agree Jehovah god is invisible, but here we see from isaiah, LOOK, THE NAME OF JEHOVAH IS COMING FROM FAR AWAY, BURNING WITH HIS ANGER AND WITH HEAVY CLOUDS. so do some research on this and the light will get brighter and brighter.

    notice it says the name of JEHOVAH. likewise the name of JESUS will be declared everywhere even from far away, he will come not physically but spiritually with burning anger and heavy clouds just like his father did, everyone will know that it is him that is judging the world as foretold in the bible he physically doesn't have to be any where near the earth to do this. since he is sitting at the right hand of his god and my god and your god JEHOVAH.

    Source(s): THE BIBLE
  • CF
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    John 14:19:

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)

    "After a little while THE WORLD WILL NO LONGER SEE ME, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also.

    Jesus is, now, an invisible spirit in heavens.

    1 Timothy 6:14-16:ION

    NWT

    that you observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the MANIFESTATION of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 This [manifestation] the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times, [he] the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells IN UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT, whom not one of men has seen or can see. To him be honor and might everlasting. Amen.

    Hebrews 1:3:

    Weymouth New Testament

    ................................................................................

    He brightly reflects God's glory and is the exact representation of His being, and upholds the universe by His all-powerful word. After securing man's purification from sin He took His seat at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

    "When Jesus ascended into heaven, according to the record, “a cloud caught him up from their vision.” (Ac 1:9) The disciples did not see Jesus riding away on a cloud, but rather, the cloud obscured their vision of him. This helps us to understand Jesus’ words concerning his presence: “They will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory,” and Revelation’s statement: “He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him.” (Lu 21:27; Mt 24:30; Re 1:7) In past cases clouds represented invisible presence; but observers could “see” the meaning with their mental “eyes.” In this case the physical occurrences that are visible would cause the one looking to “see” or realize that Christ is invisibly present."—See also Mt 24; Mr 13; Re 14:14.

    "In view of the fact that Jesus said ‘the world would behold him no more’ (Joh 14:19), the statement at Revelation 1:7: “Every eye will see him [Jesus Christ],” must have reference, not to the literal eye, but, rather, to the effect upon the mind of human observers of the evidences that they can see with their literal eyes when he goes forth to destroy his enemies. The Bible plainly indicates, however, that those whom God calls to heavenly life with Christ will literally see God, which requires for them resurrection in a heavenly spiritual body."—1Pe 1:4; 1Co 15:50-54; compare 1Pe 3:18.

    The 144,000 anointed kings and priests will see Jesus because they will be ruling from heaven with him. But the rest of mankind will never see Jesus again. His brilliance would blind mankind; similar to what happened to the apostle Paul when he was still flesh and bones.

    Acts 9:3-9:

    Now as he was traveling he approached Damascus, when suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him, 4 and he fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him: “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 5 He said: “Who are you, Lord?” He said: “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 6 Nevertheless, rise and enter into the city, and what you must do will be told you.” 7 Now the men that were journeying with him were standing speechless, hearing, indeed, the sound of a voice, but not beholding any man. 8 But Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were opened he was seeing nothing. So they led him by the hand and conducted him into Damascus. 9 And for three days he did not see anything, and he neither ate nor drank.

    Source(s): Insight On The Scriptures, Vol. 1, pages 484, 790.
  • Elijah
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    For context, consider Mt. 24:3 where Jesus mentions his "coming" (parousia). Many translations vary their renderings of this word. While translating pa·rou·si´a as "presence" in some texts, they more frequently render it as "coming." But, as you can see, someone's presence (which can be unseen) can differ greatly from a person's actual coming (which can be seen).

    However, Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 1, pp. 208, 209) states: "PAROUSIA . . . denotes both an arrival and a consequent presence with." This is also why Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defines pa·rou·si´a as "presence" as it's primary definition citing Philippians 2:12, and 2 Corinthians 10:10, 11 for examples.

    Something else to consider is that with Jesus being a spirit, it will be impossible for the naked human eye to see him directly. However, naked human eyes of men will see outward manifestations that will indicate his invisible presence and arrival. By means of these outward manifestations, they will, *metaphorically speaking*, see with mental sight that he has come to the battle of the great day of God Almighty:

    "Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen." (Rev. 1:7)

    Also consider Matthew 24:30 where it says: "All the tribes of the earth will go to wailing and they will see (horáo) the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

    This Greek verb horáo is considered a defective verb, which means that it does not exist in all tenses and that verbs from other roots have to be used in order to supplement the thought of sight. This is why A Greek-English Lexicon, by Liddell and Scott, shows that horáo means not only to see with the naked eye but ALSO to perceive, to observe, and "metaphorically, of mental sight, discern, perceive."—1948 edition, pages 1244, 1245.

    This metaphorical sense of horáo, or that of discernment, is clearly shown by Romans 1:20, where the Greek horáo is used combined with the preposition katá to form the Greek verb kathoráo. The New World Translation renders this verb kathoráo, as "are clearly seen," meaning clearly discerned. Obviously the things clearly seen in this instance are things that cannot be seen with the naked eye but only discerned, in this case, God's invisible qualities: "For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are understood by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable."

    Article from the Official Website of Jehovah's Witnesses:

    Do You Recognize the Sign of Jesus’ Presence?

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/20051001/article_02.ht...

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  • 9 years ago

    It was an ideal or concept put together at first to sell an ideal that went sour. The Great disappointment of the Adventists second coming didn't happen and a failing magazine. In steps Charles Taze Russell with money and an agreeing ideal with this failed concept of Jesus' second coming in 1874 that didn't happen and make into, yes he did come but he is invisible and start selling magazines with a doom and gloom end of the world ideals and a good sales and marketing campaign. The bible is in direct conflict with this false teaching. You are correct, he will be SEEN in the same manner in which he left, very visible. In fact the Bible sates every eye will see him. They are guilty of following the ideal and concepts of men and not of God. They have perfected their spin but no less a spin, a con. They prey on the weak, the ones whom know very little of the Bible. They study and work hard at promoting their ideals and concepts and they are good at it. They are schooled at it. The common Christian can not match the Jehovah's Witnesses use of verses but the person who is well versed in the Bible sees the deception very quickly and will tear apart the doctrine of the Jehovah's Witnesses very easily with the use of the Bible and their very own magazines . Their own trail of publications tell the deception quite nicely.

    Edit- with all the excuses and explanations they are giving to his invisible presence on Earth in 1874 but then switched to 1914 in 1943 and later he was never really here but was presence in the sense that he turned his attention towards Earth in 1914. (Sells Job)

    Acts1:19 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

    10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

    The same way you have SEEN him go into heaven. They see him with their physical eyes, not eyes of discernment, but those baby blues, those physical eyes. How will he return? The same way you have SEEN him go into heaven. With those physical eyes, those baby blues, with real eyes, not eyes of discernment. Not a metaphoric ideal of seeing him or any other way. He was seen going up and will bee seen coming back. Just like their concept of keeping him invisible they say he rose from the dead as a spirit creature and that God disposed of the Body of Jesus. But in Luke 24:39 it says and this is JESUS speaking; 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” Clearly, Jesus is telling us point blank that he is not a spirit but he is made up of flesh and bones and that a spirit does not have flesh and bone.

    But they come up with all kinds of excuse for this also, such a he manifested a body. So if you believe them, Jesus had to lie to them and fool them into thinking he was raised in his own Body. Even though he told the he would raise this temple (speaking of his Body) in three days. They make him out to be a liar. But they will say they are not and will defend the Watchtower Doctrine with all kinds of deception. The are a cult, they have hijacked the Christian religion changed it's doctrines as to be different, so that a some fat cat can make a pile of money selling a magazine. Don't let them fool you, the Watchtower has a ton of money and I mean a lot of money.

  • 9 years ago

    he will be visible at the end of time

    Satan was around in the Old Testament

  • Mark
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    He was visible to the disciples when he ascended into heaven.

    I have no idea why they say what they say and ignore so much christian teaching.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    The JWs have it wrong, and they don't even believe he died for our sins anyway so it's a cult for sure.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Duh it means every spiritual eye will recognise his presence. Why would he come in person "Again" when he said "It is finished"

    He only had to come once to this world.

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