Christians, how many of you believe we are in the tribulation or it's very close, ...?
and why? I see that Revelation is describing the tribulation, and some are thinking that is happening right now, but the trib is only 7 years and much will happen before the very end. Your thoughts and why? Thanks.
Doubting: Of course the predictions were wrong. The Bible clearly states that we are not to make predictions based on date, but we can say it's close according to what prophecies were already fulfilled and the sign of the times.
Derek: We can tell it's close by the signs of the times according to all that Jesus, Daniel, and other prophets said would happen shortly before the end.
Scrubbag: There is nothing wrong with watching and that's what we are doing. I was NOT asking for dates.
- truthbearerLv 79 years agoFavorite Answer
No scripture mentions any 7 year tribulation, nor any antiChrist, signing any 7year peace thing. this is all made up doctrine. There is no such thing as any rapture, so it is also made up doctrine. The sinful are the ones who will be TAKEN and destroyed.
The SAINTS of God are the ones who will be left here, to inherit this earth and rule it in righteousness. I say to all, you need to drop these lies and begin seriously seeking Gods answers, in the KJV.
John 16:33 KJV
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer ; I have overcome the world.
This was spoken to all the saints of God. not just a few down here in our time.
Acts 14:22 KJV
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
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This was also spoken to all the Christians. Cain killed Abel in the tribulation. All down through the dark ages, they certainly had great tribulation. BUT, the greatest of all time was the CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST, and the immediate killing of the early Church.
Do you people not think those millions of Christians who suffered untold torture, down through these 2000 years since Christ died, was NOT tribulation?
What are you thinking of? (besides false doctrines of man).
Romans 5:3 KJV
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
(spoken to all Christians, of all ages).
Romans 12:12 KJV
Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
(spoken to all Christians).
2 Corinthians 1:4 KJV
Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
(spoken to all Christians).
2 Corinthians 7:4 KJV
Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
(spoken to the Christians of Paul's day).
1 Thessalonians 3:4 KJV
For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation ; even as it came to pass , and ye know .
(spoken to the Christians of Paul's day).
Revelation 1:9 KJV
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
(spoken by John the Baptist)
Tribulation began when Cain killed Abel, and has not stopped. Many, many saints of God are killed every single day.
I say to you all, WAKE UP AND BEGIN STUDYING THE WORD OF GOD, INSTEAD OF MAN'S FALSE TEACHINGS.Source(s): KJV truth
- 9 years ago
How can we be in the Trib right now? That Anti Christ hasn't signed the 7 year peace treaty, nor has he revealed himself yet. Although I have heard that there is no Anti Christ and its all lies.. this is coming from quite a religious man who has had experiences of being taken to Heaven and talking with GOD.
We can't be in the Trib because we are still here. I also believe that this world has to be torn from the inside out and upside down before the trib will start. I don't believe its time yet. Life is still too good.
Some believe that this Sept 29 will be the date of the rapture..I say it can't be, because no one can predict when its going to happen. Camping says its going to be Oct 21....whose right? God is...not a man or men predicting it.
Also we have been talking about the Rapture and the Pre Trib and the Trib since before Jesus was born and here we are in 2011 and still nothing is happening or much that concerns the rapture or the Trib....I think that we may be waiting for some time still...I don't feel like this is the time.
All these things going on have been going on for 1000s and 1000s of years...why is it so different now?
I think were in for a wild ride and its going to get interesting from here on in!
- scrubbagLv 79 years ago
I say, that Jesus said what the answer was to that question, and the signs of today are just that....signs.... we have had earthquakes since before man was on Earth... same for hurricanes, tornadoes, floods...etc...
Here is what Jesus said...
•“ ‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father’ ” (Matthew 24:36).
•“ ‘You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him’ ” (Matthew 24:44).
•“ ‘Keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour’ ” (Matthew 25:13).
•" ‘Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come’ ” (Mark 13:33).
It appears to me, there are a few things that need to be mentioned......
1). We do not trust Jesus, so we are Second guessing him by saying the signs "are NOW"
2). We think we know more then God Himself, as it clearly states.... "Only the Father knows"
3). Since we know the hour and day, we do not need to ....keep watch...as Jesus says..
4). What Revelation describes, has happened in the past, many times.....but the end still has not arrived...
I believe in Jesus, and I do not....NOT try to guess when or where "Tribulation" will be. I leave that up to God and Jesus. For me to try to "guess" when it will happen, is like going against what Jesus said.
QUOTE ‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father’
- 9 years ago
People have claimed the end is near for thousands of years. It is always speculation. I personally believe the end time prophecies will come and go many times. If they didn't people would be able to guess when He was coming and he would no longer be like a thief in the night.
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- PeterLv 69 years ago
The gospel is pre eminanat over events like triulation period of teh bible.
There are signs such as the Mark of the Beast system already in the works for many years now,
Freemason groupsm Luciferian doctrines are areas of the eenmy to assist fraternal orders in anto Messiah p[olicies as they have influence amongst military, governemnt, business, cultures.
The exonomic times as we see them. Billionaire like people that sway te markets and often do so later say they are christain .
factors such as nations that are anti christ for many years in a cultural norm feel it is okay to mark citizens and impact all by the Mark system that their religious books do not feel will be sin. I prefer to noty mention nations. Some of which are master identity deceivers and have been so for years, impacting economies and easily be swayed to antichrist values whgen forun out.
The Old testament Prophets as you state have futuristic vsions like the limage of the figure in daniel. Describing a body, its parts, material, inherant weakness, Roman likeness long before Roman empire existed. It show how the legs were weak and of clay and Iron a revived like Roman empire. That befit some theories.
Others of course are the desire to sin, pasages of lovers of money, proud, blasphemers to God.
Scriptures of prophecies jesus Christ foretold. Ecven with regard as in teh days of Noah.
People waxing worse in the coming times. that is prophetic. We see that in crim rates, violence.
Some believers think that Yom Teruah or the Feast of Trumpets that the bride of Christ i being readied to be taen in teh Raptured, gathered as a bride to be wed to teh Lord.
A more in depth prophecy interrative by Michael Rood on utube has a good theory.
The number 70 also depicts the months and length of the trib period. yet also the 70 withneses paired up in earlier bible prepares eveangelism. The spirit incling us to witness to draw last day souls now instead of when unbelief seems to be present that weakens our witness of Jesus Chriost.
Michalel's unique preentation will assist your understanding about fulfilling the prophecis and hopw they occur on biblical holidays often.
His theory is unique as we see a type of recession that seems deeper than we imagined, lack of employment an era of greed and lover of monies.
these are all the factors I perceive will influence the tribulation. yet it seems the times and seasons are alone God's pre plamnned timetable in spite of the signs of the times.
- 9 years ago
We are in it and I believe it is obvious. I believed we were in it before I read this persons website(ii don't remember the site) but if you google ron reese 7 year tribulation you may be able to find it and it is very interesting. God bless you
- Anonymous5 years ago
Harpazo = Rapture
END-TIME BIBLE PROPHECY
The Messiah Lord Jesus said BIRTH PANGS would signal the time of the end (Matthew 24:8). There are NINE birth pangs, they are all PRE-TRIBULATIONAL and the 1st three already occurred.
The first birth pang was worldwide conflict coupled with famines and earthquakes (Matthew 24:7-8). Worldwide conflict was fulfilled in 1914-1918, major famines happened in 1918-1921 and most of the world’s major earthquakes began to occur since 1900.
The second birth pang was the restoration of a Jewish State (Ezekiel 20:33-38; Ezekiel 22:17-22; Ezekiel 36:22-24; Zephaniah 2:1-2). This was fulfilled in 1948.
The third birth pang was Jewish control of the Old City of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:1-2). For the third Jewish Temple (Tribulation Temple) to be rebuilt, Jerusalem needs to be under Jewish control and this was accomplished in the Six Day War in 1967.
The fourth birth pang will be the Ezekiel 38 war. Russia, allied states of Iran, Ethiopia, Somalia, Germany and Armenia will invade Israel. God will miraculously destroy the invading army by earthquake, civil war among the invading soldiers, pestilence, blood, flood, hailstones, fire and brimstone. This will bring a revival in Israel where many Jews will turn to the Lord, and Israel will spend 7 years and 7 months burying the bodies and burning for fuel the military equipment left behind (Ezekiel 39:9-16).
The 5th birth pang will be the development of a one world government (Daniel 7:23-24).
The 6th birth pang will be the splitting of the one world government into 10 kingdoms and this Ten Kingdom Stage will continue until mid-Tribulation (Daniel 7:24).
The 7th birth pang will be the revelation of the Antichrist (II Thessalonians 2:1-3; Daniel 7:24).
The 8th birth pang will be a period of peace and false security that will be shattered by the Tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3).
The 9th and final birth pang before the Tribulation is the signing of the 7-year covenant between Israel and the Antichrist. THIS EVENT IS WHAT BEGINS THE (7-year) TRIBULATION - NOT THE RAPTURE!
The Rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) is also a pre-tribulational event (Luke 21:34-37; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 19:6-8). The fact that the Church is not mentioned in any of the Tribulation Scriptures proves the Rapture is pre-tribulational. All raptured Christians will receive glorified bodies (Romans 8:22-23; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54)) and it can happen at any second.
THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 6-9 AND 17)
The Ministry of 144,000 sealed Jewish believers will bring many throughout the world to accept Christ.
There will be a powerful Ministry of Two Witnesses who will also be anointed Jewish believers.
A one world religious system (Babylon the Harlot) will rule. Under this one world religious system, many who are saved during the Tribulation will suffer persecution and death.
The Political system of the 10 kings of the one world government will continue.
During the first half of the Tribulation there will also be war, worldwide famine, death (1/4 of the world’s population will die), a huge earthquake, a blackout and a meteor shower. 1/3 of earth’s dry surface will be destroyed, 1/3 sea life and salt water will be destroyed, a fallen angel called Wormwood will make 1/3 of earth’s fresh water bitter, 1/3 of earth’s natural light sources will be destroyed, there will be another blackout and demons in the form of “locust-scorpions” will come up out of the abyss led by Abaddon their king and they will inflict harm and pain for five months upon those who are not sealed by God (unbelievers). Another demonic invasion will occur and the demons involved will be led by four fallen angels who will be released from the Euphrates River and this army will kill 1/3 of the earth’s population.
MID-TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 10-14 AND 17)
The Antichrist will war against the 10 kings, and during the war the Antichrist will be killed.
Satan will be cast out of the atmospheric heavens onto earth and will resurrect the Antichrist.
The Antichrist will kill 3 kings (the kings of Syria, Egypt and Mesopotamia) and the 7 other kings will submit to him.
The Antichrist will kill the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem and the wicked people will celebrate this event. Three and a half days afterwards, God will resurrect the Two Witnesses and take them up to Heaven and the people who celebrated will become terrified. The city of Jerusalem where the murder of the Two Witnesses occurred will then suffer an earthquake which will kill 7,000 people.
The False Prophet will receive from Satan the power to perform great miracles and will deceive many. The False Prophet will command all people to worship the Antichrist and have persons create an image to the Antichrist. The False Prophet will use his satanic powers to give it life and the ability to speak. The False Prophet will cause those who refuse to worship the Antichrist and the image to be killed.
The False Prophet will issue his own counterfeit seal known as the Mark of the Beast and it will be placed on all those who surrender to the Antichrist’s authority and accept him as god. Those who refuse to take this mark will not be able to buy or sell. Those who take this mark will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.
The Antichrist will break the seven-year covenant he made with Israel, cause the sacrifices to stop, sit in the Jewish Temple, declare to the world that he is really God and set up an idol called the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple (Daniel 9:27; Daniel 12:11; Matthew 24:15-16; 11Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:11-15).
Through the Antichrist and the False Prophet, Satan will attempt to destroy the Jews once and for all but he will fail because 1/3 of the Jews will succeed in fleeing into the wilderness. These Jews who escape will accept the Lord Jesus as their Saviour during the Tribulation (Zechariah 13:7-9) and while they are in hiding, God will miraculously provide for them (Zechariah 13:8-9; Isaiah 41:17-20). Divine intervention will also destroy the pursuing army.
THE SECOND HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES FOUND IN REVELATION 15, 16, 18, 19, 20)
In the second half of the Tribulation, those with the Mark of the Beast will suffer skin sores, the remainder of sea water and fresh water will be destroyed, the sun will cause terrible burns and the wicked will blaspheme God. There will be yet another blackout and persons will suffer gnawing pains.
Babylon will be the center of world economy and political system but Babylon will be swiftly destroyed by fire and become uninhabitable for man.
The Antichrist will locate the Jews who sought refuge in the wilderness and surround them with his armies to wipe them out. The Lord Jesus will then descend from Heaven with His angels and Saints. He will come with great glory riding upon a horse and will destroy the Antichrist, the False Prophet and all of their armies. After this, a loud voice will cry out “It is done!” followed by the greatest earthquake in the earth’s history and hail weighing 120 pounds will fall.
At the end of the Tribulation, there will be another blackout, the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies will be shaken (Matthew 24:29), the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the eternal Lake of Fire and Satan will be cast into the Abyss and bound for 1,000 years.
The Lord Jesus will reign over the entire earth during the Millennium. The Jewish and Gentile believers who survive the Tribulation will go on to populate the Millennium. Believers who died before and during the Tribulation and believers who were raptured will be present on earth during the Millennium and because they will have glorified bodies they will not reproduce. All believers will be given special tasks by the Lord Jesus (Revelation 20:4-6). There will be no wars (Isaiah 2:2-4), animals will return to the Edenic state and become vegetarians (Isaiah 11:6-9), people will not labour in vain but eat what they plant and inhabit what they build, there will be renovations in the heavens and earth and there will be righteous and unrighteous children born during the Millennium (Isaiah 65:17-25).
At the end of the Millennium, Satan will be loosed from the Abyss and will deceive and gather the unrighteous for a war against the righteous. This will be his final attempt to destroy the righteous and when the unrighteous of the Millennium surround the good people, God will send fire down from Heaven which will suddenly and massively annihilate all of the wicked people. Satan will then be cast into the Lake of Fire where he will remain in torment for eternity (Revelation 20:7-10).
THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT
The Great White Throne Judgment will be the next main event. The old heavens and earth will be done away with and all will stand before God’s throne to be judged (Revelation 20:11-12). Those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire which will be their final and eternal abode (Revelation 20:14-15).
THE ETERNAL ORDER (REVELATION 21 AND 22)
Those whose names are found in the Book of Life will enjoy paradise with God forever. The heavens and earth will be made new and the New Jerusalem will come down upon the earth making the earth like Heaven. All curses from the fall will be removed and the earth will be inhabited by the Triune God (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit), all angels and all of the righteous. The seas, moon, night and sun will be done away with and the glory of God will illuminate the earth. The River of Life will flow from God’s throne, the Tree of Life will bear health-giving fruits and leaves and the name of Jesus will be on the foreheads of all of the righteous.
God’s Plan of Salvation for Us
- 9 years ago
The last 46 published predictions of the End of the World were all wrong.
If you want to believe that the current crop of con artists are going to be any more reliable, it's not MY job to convince you otherwise.
Click the link and decide for yourself.Source(s): END OF THE WORLD! 46 WRONG predictions- http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm
- starLv 79 years ago
no, we're not in the great tribulation.
however, we're in the pocket of time of the end.
this means within the next few years, i expect the Antichrist to show up.
we will know when jerusalem is surrounded by enemies.
start counting 7 years from that time.
3.5 years into the GT, all christians would be persecuted to death.
can you imagine the urgency of repentance or be left out ...
to all those in Christ, be steadfast and teach our brethren.
to all those swinging in and out of Christ ... repent or be left out, period.
- 9 years ago
It's definitely close. I think it will be VERY obvious when it is here though. No question about it.