Atheists often hear the question, "How can you be moral without God?". The real question is, "How can a moral?

person accept God?"

If the scriptures are true, God sets a terrible example for Goodness. - The thinking atheist.

God endorses rape: To protect 2 angels disguised as guests in his home, Lot offers his 2 virgin daughters to be raped by a mob (Genesis 19:6)

Because they wanted children Lot's daughter's got him drunk and raped him whilst he slept (incest) Genesis 19;33-34

Human sacrifice: Jephthah sacrifices his only daughter to God as payment for victory in battle.Judges 11;30-39

Slavery: Biblical guidelines for he beating of slaves Exodus 21;20-21

and Kidnapping, Animal abuse, baby killing, and a really long list of examples of condoning and ordering death.

So is God the source of morality or is this a more appropriate description?:

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” – Richard Dawkins

Link with the biblical references for the heinous acts to follow.

So how can a moral accept God?

Update:

No chance, then every person I know has taken the first step to being moral, bar a man I met in my 3rd year of training, he thought he was God.

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  • Anonymous
    9 years ago
    Best Answer

    no victim no crime is my moral basis... I hope you are looking for an answer becasue it seems you are looking for an argument, but as far as i am aware god never told lot to give up his daughter, but the principle of it is that those men (angels) were under lots protection, it was his duty to stop them from being raped by the mob of gay rapists outside his house, all of the bad stuff that you cut out of context was not commendable by god, they are historical accounts of what happened, and those things are not biblical guidlines, you say they are guidlines, maybe you dont realise but the gudlines giveb to christians come from jesus, love thy neighbour, im sure you can work out what that means, you wouldnt hurt someone you love.. it's pretty simple like

  • 4 years ago

    Of course you're not without any morals. (Note: your morals are extremely flawed though...) But I'll tell you that the morals that you do have are there because God designed you, whether or not you believe in Him. Your worldview that says that you are the highest authority doesn't make sense with the fact that you believe in an absolute moral code. Think about it, you know that sex crimes are wrong and immoral, and so does almost everyone else on the planet. But why would everyone come to that same conclusion, if they were the highest authority? The fact that God originally created us all in His image, answers that easily. He ingrained in our minds the fact that sin is wrong. Check out the Bible.

  • Sara
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Nikon, my dear, of course you can be moral without stating any belief in God.

    Morality comes from the heart and the mind, a sense of compassion and a sense of fairness.

    But we didn't need to wait until the 21st Century for Richard Dawkins to tell us how God sounds in the Old Testament. Every person has thought this, that 'Father" whom Jesus describes is far removed from Jehovah of the ancient Hebrews.

    Every ancient culture fashioned an image of God that was useful to them. The Jews, embattled, kidnapped, put into slavery, subjugated, they needed a powerful warrior god.

    In that region at that time there were seven different tribal gods to choose from: Ildaboath (or Ialdabaoth), Jehovah, Sabaoth, Adonai, Eloeus. Oreus, and Astanpheus. They were called the Seven Elohim.

    Remember that when Ramses II ruled Egypt and the Israelites were oppressed, it was 1290 BC, and Rome was not even founded until 753 BC. It was the Bronze Age, the Great Pyramid had just been built in Egypt. It was a thousand years before Archimedes would be born.

    So, should we sit in judgment of the warrior god that these people chose in times of war?

    The truth of God is far different, that's why religion has progressed.

  • e w
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    The most immoral acts are done by religious zealots and clergy.

    Look at the Catholic priest scandals---which continue, look at Swaggart, Haggard, Jim Baker, Jim Jones, et al.

    Look at the Muslim fanatics murdering in the name of their god and their religion. Look at the Catholic Inquisition, and then try to say that atheists are immoral.

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  • 9 years ago

    "How can you be moral without God?"

    (Romans 2:14-15) For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused.

    So is God the source of morality or is this a more appropriate description?

    God endorses rape: To protect 2 angels disguised as guests in his home, Lot offers his 2 virgin daughters to be raped by a mob (Genesis 19:6)

    Instead of assuming that his motives were bad, why not consider some possibilities? First of all, Lot may well have acted in faith. How so? No doubt Lot was aware of how Jehovah had protected Sarah, the wife of Abraham, Lot’s uncle. It is possible that Lot had faith that his daughters could be similarly protected. Significantly, Jehovah through his angels did intervene, and the young women were kept safe.

    Consider another possibility. Lot may also have been trying to shock or confuse the men. He may have believed that his daughters would not be desired by the crowd because of the homosexual lust of the Sodomites. (Jude 7)

    Whatever Lot’s reasoning and motives, we can be sure of this: Since Jehovah always does what is right, he must have had good reason to view Lot as a “righteous man.” And judging from the actions of the crazed mob of Sodomites, can there be any doubt that Jehovah was fully justified in executing judgment upon the inhabitants of that wicked city?—Genesis 19:23-25.

    Because they wanted children Lot's daughter's got him drunk and raped him whilst he slept (incest) Genesis 19;33-34

    The law on incest was not given until the time of Moses. Abraham was married to his sister.

    "Now Amram took Jochebed his father’s sister as his wife. Moses' parents.

    Human sacrifice: Jephthah sacrifices his only daughter to God as payment for victory in battle.Judges 11;30-39

    Many people believe that Jephthah sacrificed his only daughter as a human sacrifice. This was a thing against God's laws.

    (Jeremiah 7:31) And they have built the high places of To′pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin′nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’

    When Jephthah brought his daughter to the sanctuary, which was in Shiloh at that time, he undoubtedly accompanied his presentation of her with an animal burnt offering.

    It was a real sacrifice on the part of both Jephthah and his daughter, for he had no other child. (Jg 11:34) Therefore no descendant of his would carry on his name and his inheritance in Israel. Jephthah’s daughter was his only hope for this. She wept, not over her death, but over her “virginity,” for it was the desire of every Israelite man and woman to have children and to keep the family name and inheritance alive. (Jg 11:37, 38) Barrenness was a calamity. But Jephthah’s daughter “never had relations with a man.” Had these words applied only to the time prior to the carrying out of the vow, they would have been superfluous, for she is specifically said to have been a virgin. That the statement has reference to the fulfilling of the vow is shown in that it follows the expression, “He carried out his vow that he had made toward her.” Actually, the record is pointing out that also after the vow was carried out she maintained her virginity.—Jg 11:39; compare renderings in KJ; Dy; Yg; NW.

    Moreover, Jephthah’s daughter was visited “from year to year” by her companions to ‘give her commendation.’ (Jg 11:40) The Hebrew word ta·nah′, used here, also occurs at Judges 5:11, and in that text is variously rendered “recount” (NW), “rehearse” (KJ), “recounted” (AT), “repeat” (RS). The word is defined in A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon (edited by B. Davies, 1957, p. 693) as “to repeat, to rehearse.” At Judges 11:40 the King James Version renders the term “lament,” but the margin reads “talk with.” As Jephthah’s daughter served at the sanctuary, doubtless like other Nethinim (“Given Ones” devoted to sanctuary service), there was much she could do. These persons served in gathering wood, drawing water, doing repair work, and undoubtedly performing many other tasks as assistants to the priests and Levites there.—Jos 9:21, 23, 27; Ezr 7:24; 8:20; Ne 3:26.

  • 9 years ago

    You are just further evidence that a non-believer cannot KNOW God's Word.....You have misinterpreted and confused God's scripture, but that's O.K.....We know God never endorsed all that you claim..because God does not waiver or change...You have misrepresented God's scriptures...But that's O.K. We will continue to pray for you in any case...Praying for your intervention...

    How can a moral person accept God? You only sound angry at God and that's a good thing...

    Because that tells me that at the very least, you're finding yourself in life and one day you will find God for your own self.

  • 9 years ago

    The Old Testament and the New are like different estimates of pi. The OT states that pi=3, literally in fact. Its morality is similarly inaccurate, as is its portrayal of God. As time passes, progress enables us to be more open to God's love and express it better, provided we walk with God. It's like the realisation that pi is an irrational number. We can never be perfectly good but God works with us so that we can gradually perceive more of the digits.

  • 9 years ago

    Right, if you are a moral person based upon the "promise" of "life everlasting" then you are doing so for a perceived reward.

    An Atheist expects no reward for doing the right things.

  • J
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Like this.

  • 9 years ago

    Christian morality is RELATIVE and the bible is documentation of that fact.

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