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Who was worse, Hitler or Churchill?

Who was worse, Hitler or Churchill?

Hitler was responsible for deaths of 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, and millions of other people.

Also, he had concentration camps and was a racist, but he modeled his policies on another abominable racist, who inspired him and his crimes - on Churchill, and British rule of India (that Hitler intended as a model in his brutal oppression of the Slavs and Jews).

Churchill was responsible for starvation of 7 millions of Indian people, while British rule is responsible for genocide that resulted one billion of Indian lives lost. Churchill was unashamed racist, was in favor of use of poison gas on "uncivilized tribes" (Hitler used Zyklon B on Jews, and British used mustard gas on Iraqi women and children). British invented concentration camps in the Boer war, killing women and children. Hitler imitated British in every way, but racist theories and policies, implemented by Churchill in during and after WWI, and in WWII are of British origin. Hitler spared what he hoped to be his potential allies in Dunkirk, but Churchill believed higher race are British, not all Germanic people. He killed millions in firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin and many other cities. Both Churchill and Hitler were in favor of eugenics.

Hitler was a kindly man, vegetarian who didn't drink or smoke. He suffered from flatulence.

Churchill was an ill tempered alcoholic, who smoked fat cigars and held his meetings in nude.

Roosevelt was against both Third Reich (that he fought against and helped Russians beat the Hitler) and atrocious British Empire (that, mostly thanks to Roosevelt, also dissolved after the WWII). He was a great US president, and is universally respected.

Death toll:

Hitler and Nazi Germany : 30 million (6 million in direct genocide)

Churchill and British Empire: 1 billion (7 million Indians in one genocidal incident alone, rarely mentioned today)

Both Churchill and Hitler were racists, for eugenics, use of poison gas and concentration camps, Hitler in fact emulated Churchill.

Yet due to propaganda, their images are distorted.

Both were clearly criminals. Can you objectively say which one was THE greatest criminal of the 20th century - Hitler or Churchill?

Clearly, both were racist, Churchill even to greater extent than Hitler, but Churchill managed to get his record cleared from history textbooks. Does that censorship make him a better man?

Update:

I asked this question in History - it got promptly deleted

I asked the same question in Politics - it got mostly misunderstood, though some had insights what I was talking about, with additional details I provided

I asked it here - It got 3 stars "interesting" in short period of time.

My conclusion - people in Philosophy seem to be most intelligent here, or at the very least, most likely to think with their own head (which is not surprising, this is Philosophy section).

Additional details: Why is it OK here to ask who was worse - Stalin or Hitler, and not to compare Hitler and Churchill, who had much more in common. Clearly, western propaganda can make Stalin look bad, while he alone with Russian people is responsible for beating the Nazis, citing Ukrainian famine as his greatest crime (by death toll), same is done with Mao, while Churchill is responsible for far greater famine in India (7 million deaths).

Here is a link for some of the Churchill crimes

http://www.countercurrents.

Update 2:

Hitler was referred to as kindly man by those who worked with him - his secretaries and technical staff. This was quoted in media recently a lot. He never forgot an employee birthday, for instance.

That he was responsible for some of the worst crimes that happened in History, is not in contradiction with him being a kind man. He followed extreme ideology (of racism), but so were rulers of Britain (who had many gentlemen in their ranks of criminal racist governors of Britain, though Churchill was a crude man, not among those gentlemen).

Hitler is in a way a perfect exemplar of Victorian Imperial British gentlemen. That we do not think of Victorian gentlemen in terms of Hitlerian crimes and their deeply racist legacy (that inspired Hitler), is a proof of power of western propaganda (that owes much to dr Goebbels and lady (oops, i mean Leni) Riefenstahl, admired in the West for their technical skill).

Update 3:

I see the source I mentioned did not go through. Here it is:

http://www.countercurrents.org/polya230109.htm

As for the total of 1 billion, in fact it is 1.8 billion, according to this quote:

1. British Indian Holocaust (1.8 billion excess deaths, 1757-1947; 10 million killed in post-1857 Indian Mutiny reprisals; 1 million starved, 1895-1897 Indian Famine; 6-9 million starved, 1899-1900 Indian Famine; 6-7 million starved under Churchill, Bengali Holocaust 1943-1945].

Not all of these deaths were under Churchill (1.8 billion is total of EXCESS deaths, that includes demographic losses etc), the total of 1.8 billion is under 200 years of British rule of India. It is comparable to the 40 million EXCESS deaths (demographic losses etc) frequently mentioned for Stalin, or 60 million EXCESS deaths (demographic losses etc) for Mao. Stalin is in fact responsible for around 1 million deaths in Gulag and during the 30s, and for Ukraininan famine (5-6 million), deaths) but the figure quoted is

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  • 4 years ago

    Churchill was pretty awful. He took an economic and political hegemon, and reduced it to just another European country. Churchill declaring war on Germany was maybe the most idiotic blunder in all of WW2 (it likely doesn't happen without that decision) Hitler's results were arguably more disasterous (attacking Russia was perhaps the second dumbest decision in WW2).

    Stalin is easily the best leader of the era, if you are just looking at economic and political ante and post. FDR is a far second. De Gaulle and Mussolini were okay, and everyone else was pretty bad to horrible.

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  • 4 years ago

    Who Was Churchill

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  • 4 years ago

    Hitler killed 6 million jews in his life time and Churchill 15 million indians

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  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

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    Who was worse, Hitler or Churchill?

    Who was worse, Hitler or Churchill?

    Hitler was responsible for deaths of 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, and millions of other people.

    Also, he had concentration camps and was a racist, but he modeled his policies on another abominable racist, who inspired him and his crimes - on Churchill,...

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  • 9 years ago

    World War Two: Lessons and Warnings

    World Socialist Web Site

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/nov2009/nbww-n18...

    Excerpt:

    Long before Hitler’s rantings against the Jew-Bolshevik conspiracy filled the air waves and newspaper pages, Churchill had advanced it—not accidentally, in the same year that the most infamous anti-Semitic tract, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, was launched.

    Churchill’s attitude to fascism was nowhere more clearly summed up than in a speech he delivered on January 20, 1927, during a visit to Italy, where the fascist regime of Mussolini had come to power in 1922. “I could not help being charmed,” he declared, “like so many other people who have been, by Signor Mussolini’s gentle and simple bearing and by his calm, detached poise in spite of so many burdens and dangers. Secondly, anyone could see that he thought of nothing but the lasting good of the Italian people … If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetite and passions of Leninism. I will, however, say a word on an international aspect of fascism. Externally your movement has rendered a service to the whole world. The great fear which has always beset every democratic leader or a working-class leader has been that of being undermined or overbid by something more extreme than he. Italy has shown that there is a way of fighting the subversive forces which can rally the masses of the people, properly led, to value and wish to defend the honour and stability of civilized society. She has provided the necessary antidote to the Russian poison. Hereafter no great nation will be unprovided with an ultimate means of protection against the cancerous growth of Bolshevism.” [2]

    In Germany, Hitler, then beginning his rise to power, was also a great admirer of Mussolini as the savior of civilization against Bolshevism. So much for the legend that the war was launched in defence of democracy to prevent the growth of fascism. The Nazis only became an enemy when it was feared that their drive for conquest threatened the position of British imperialism.

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  • Anonymous
    4 years ago

    Bush Sr - actual leader with great intelligence. Bush Jr - born leader with no intelligence to back it up. Roosevelt responded to an attack, Churchill did the same thing. Bush Jr And Hitler waged unnecessary war but Hitler is a class of his own. He was not only a war-monger, he was a genocidal maniac.

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  • 7 years ago

    Actually the concentration camp is a Spanish invention dating

    back to 1896, see

    The First Moderns: Profiles in the Origins of Twentieth-Century Thought - Chapter 8 VALERIANO Y NICOLAU WEYLER - INVENTING THE CONCENTRATION CAMP

    By William R. Everdell

    Weyler called his camps "campo de concentración".

    There's a description of the Spanish camps here, made by US Senator Redfield Proctor. It appears in Clara Barton's THE RED CROSS, entitled 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898'.

    http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php

    As you can see the Spanish reconcentrados (that means "reconcentrating place") display the sinister morphology of the concentration camp - the barbed wire, the watch towers, the location near rail junctions, interned civilians, guards, ditches, etc.

    You can see the effect of the Spanish camps here:

    http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado....

    The claim that the British invented concentration camps in the

    Second Anglo-Boer War (1899 - 1902) is Nazi propaganda.

    "The persistent belief that the British invented the concentration camp has been the war's [WW2] most enduring propaganda issue."

    page 13, Propaganda and Mass Persuasion: A Historical Encyclopedia, 1500 to the Present.

    According to Robertson, Patrick. "The Book of Firsts," Clarkson N. Potter, Inc., New York, 1974, p. 44.

    "The idea that the British 'invented' concentration camps was fostered by Dr. Goebbels during the 1930s."

    You typically here this ugly lie from sources that were close to the Nazis, such as Afrikaaners or Irish Nationalists.

    Some Irish government officials shared Hitler's ugly ideas about 'racial hygene', for example, the Irish Ambassador to Germany, Charles Bewley, recommended Ireland refuse visa requests from Jews fleeing the Holocaust to protect Ireland from "contamination".

    Source: Irish Independent Wed 23rd Oct 2013

    Bewley tried to join the SS but was rejected and ended up working for Goebbels.

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  • 6 years ago

    Before reading this, make sure that I'm not a racist, like Hitler. Hitler was a mastermind and a warlord, but he was mentally disturbed.

    But how about we just read the source, and make sure

    Did Hitler really used poison gas?

    Did he burned all those innocent people or he just burned dead people because they were infected?

    Cyanide is & was an expensive material. Was it really logical to use Cyanide to kill people you hate which gives them an easy death, when you could easily kill them or torture them with bullets?!

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  • 5 years ago

    I give them a tie. My break down on who was the worst bastards of the WWII : Stalin, Roosevelt, Hitler in a tie with Churchill and finally Mussolini. Rosy was a sneak and Stalin a scurrilous runt.

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  • 7 years ago

    hitler was a racist . in the worse sense . churchill wanted to use tear gas not poison gas . . churchill hated antisemitism . the worst kind was that of hitler . winston churchill saved civilisation against a raging maniac

    • Churchill was arguably even more racist. He killed millions of indians and his imperialism was just as bad as Nazism

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