Wiggy
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Wiggy asked in SportsBaseball · 9 years ago

Buy or sell .... Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player to ever grace God's green earth?

If you sell, please state why. Come up with something more creative than "he used steroids". That won't get you best answer.

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14-time NL All-Star (1990, 1992-1998, 2000-2004 & 2007)

7-time NL MVP (1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004)

8-time NL Gold Glove Winner (1990-1994 & 1996-1998)

12-time NL Silver Slugger Award Winner (1990-1994, 1996-1997 & 2000-2004)

2-time NL Batting Average Leader (2002 & 2004)

10-time NL On-Base Percentage Leader (1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004, 2006 & 2007)

7-time NL Slugging Percentage Leader (1990, 1992-1993 & 2001-2004)

9-time NL OPS Leader (1990-1993, 1995 & 2001-2004)

NL Runs Scored Leader (1992)

NL Total Bases Leader (1993)

2-time NL Home Runs Leader (1993 & 2001)

NL RBI Leader (1993)

12-time NL Bases on Balls Leader (1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004, 2006 & 2007)

20-Home Run Seasons: 19 (1987-1988, 1990-2004, 2006 & 2007)

30-Home Run Seasons: 14 (1990 & 1992-2004)

40-Home Run Seasons: 8 (1993, 1996-1997 & 2000-2004)

50-Home Run Seasons: 1 (2001)

60-Home Run Seasons: 1 (2001)

70-Home Run Seasons: 1 (2001)

100 RBI Seasons: 12 (1990-1993, 1995-1998, 2000-2002 & 2004)

100 Runs

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  • 9 years ago
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    Sell, and I give you my arguments

    1) Babe Ruth took the game out of the dead ball era, Barry Bonds took it into the steroid era.

    2) Just for you to have an idea of the above, when Babe Ruth came to the league the season HR record was 27 HR. Ruth broke it with 29 in 1919 and he would break it three more times with 54 in 1920, 59 in 1921 and 60 in 1927.

    3) When Babe Ruth hit 60 HR in 1927, it represented almost 14% of the American league. When Barry Bonds hit 73 HR, it represented only 2.5% of the National league. (OK there were less than half as many teams as in 2001, but the point is that Ruth with 60 HR hit more HR than each AL team combined in 1927 and in 2001 the team with less HR was the Expos with 131)

    4) Polo Grounds was a much bigger field than any modern stadium. 483-ft on the center field is huge.

    5) Ruth averaged 11.76 AB per HR, Bonds averaged 12.92.

    6) Your facts about slugging, OBP, OBPS, BA and RBI are useless because Ruth was better overall in all those categories. Bonds only had more BB and HR because he had more plate appearances.

    7) Barry Bonds had more strikeouts than Ruth.

    8) All Star games, Gold Gloves, Silver Sluggers? They didn't exist in Ruth era. There were no Cy Young awards neither and most of the time MVP awards went to pitchers.

    9) Barry Bonds had overall terrible postseason numbers and never won a World Series. Babe Ruth was as good in the postseason as he was in the regular season and won 7 championships.

    10) If the above wasn't good enough, this is where Ruth has the edge. As a pitcher Ruth had a 94-46 record, 2.28 ERA, 107 CG, 17 shutouts and 488 K in 1221.1 IP. Barry Bonds didn't even know how to pitch.

  • alpern
    Lv 4
    3 years ago

    purchase Wiggy- you understand my emotions in this. Barry Bonds is (in my opinion) the terrific baseball participant to ever play the sport. in simple terms like Roger Clemens is actual between the three terrific pitchers to ever play. Steroids? super, despite. All i will do is seem on the physique of artwork and choose them in accordance with that. and finding at his on container numbers, accomplishments, awards, and so on, And what I remember seeing from him...Bonds is the terrific ever. I refuse to absolutely act like those guy did no longer play professional baseball at fairly the optimal point for nicely over a decade. in simple terms seem on the numbers. EDIT: and you left off the certainty that he had 500 STEALS!! 500 Steals. And he fairly could have had 3,000 hits if fairly fairly everyone could have given him a guess on the tip. and that i've got no longer any subject with those that say Ruth or Aaron is the terrific ever. i'm super with those debates and that i've got no longer any subject with somebody who thinks Ruth or Aaron is #a million. I in simple terms have problems with those that act like Bonds isn't even interior the argument.

  • 9 years ago

    Buy

    Wiggy- You know my feelings on this. Barry Bonds is (In my opinion) the greatest baseball player to ever play the game. Just like Roger Clemens is easily one of the 3 best pitchers to ever play. Steroids? Fine, whatever. All I can do is look at the body of work and judge them based on that. And looking at his on field numbers, accomplishments, awards, etc, And what I remember seeing from him...Bonds is the best ever. I refuse to completely act like these guy didn't play professional baseball at the absolute highest level for well over a decade. Just look at the numbers.

    EDIT: And you left off the fact that he had 500 STEALS!! 500 Steals. And he really should have had 3,000 hits if anybody would have given him a chance at the end.

    And I have no problem with people that say Ruth or Aaron is the best ever. I'm fine with those debates and I have no problem with someone who thinks Ruth or Aaron is #1. I just have problems with people that act like Bonds isn't even in the argument.

  • 9 years ago

    Sell yes he did use steroids. Many of players who some think are the best to ever play have used steroids, and that takes them out of the discussion right away. Yes, the numbers are there but that does not mean they are "real". Nobody knows and will never know how many HR's were fake. Unlike Hank Aaron all of his number were real off steroids.

    Source(s): Me
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  • David
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Sell. He's number 10 among hitters all-time on the Hall of Fame Monitor score. And that doesn't included pitchers. He and Arod are the two PED users in the top 10 hitters, and surely neither would be that high without.

  • 9 years ago

    Sell. Babe Ruth did what he did in HUGE BALLPARKS that hurt his numbers (read: 'The Year Babe Ruth hit 107 Home Run' or something like it).

    Barry Bonds played in tiny little matchboxes. I think that had as much to do with the offensive explosion of the 1990s- the new wave of ballparks with tiny dimensions.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    9 years ago

    Definite Buy!

    In addition to all those stats you listed, there is another that I think is most telling of his greatness: he was the first person to steal 400 and hit 400 HR and he did that before he took PEDs the summer that Mac and Sosa were having their PED riddled HR race while the country smiled in awe of them and the media squashed the story about their PED use (and we allowed them to)... then Bonds took PEDs and became the only member of the 500-500 club and smashed pretty much every other slugging record... fr a while it was crazy, you either walked him or gave up an extra base hit, no one was even close to that good, he made us have to do something about it b/c it was too obvious, he was unreal on PEDs and the G.O.A.T. without em... that's what's its so sad he felt he had to go there...

  • 9 years ago

    Sell.

    Willie Mays

    Hank Aaron

    Mickey Mantle

    Babe Ruth

    Joe DiMaggio

    Ted Williams

    Just to name the more obvious better players

  • I'd buy him before 2000 and up and then sell him from there. Let's face it he was a good player without steroids but he ruined it with steroids. A part of me will always wonder how good his stats would have been without steroids. Perhaps they still would have been good enough without them but he took them and sort of tainted things a bit.

  • 9 years ago

    Sell, for sure more people are yet to come. Home runs don't necessairly mean anything. Steriods did not do much I believe he was good but there was better.

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