creationists: what do you think of those who denied heliocentric theory despite the overwhelming evidence?
Galileo was imprisoned for the last ten years of his life by the catholic church whilst he went blind because he advocated a sun centered solar system.
The evidence for the heliocentric model is overwhelming yet somehow the religious found a way to deny it.
Creationists: do you see any parallels between your nonsense ignorance denying evolution in spite of the mountains of evidence and that of the church denying heliocentric theory?
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- imacatholic2Lv 79 years agoFavorite Answer
Neither the Scientific Community nor the Church had a problem with the heliocentric theory of Copernicus or Galileo that said that the sun was the center of the universe. It was when Galileo said it was fact without enough repeatable scientific evidence that he got into trouble.
By the way, the heliocentric theory that claimed the sun was the center of the universe instead of the Earth, was also incorrect. The sun is the center of the solar system but not the universe.
In 1741, Pope Benedict XIV granted an imprimatur (an official approval) to the first edition of the Complete Works of Galileo.
“[Galileo] declared explicitly that the two truths, of faith and of science, can never contradict each other, 'Sacred Scripture and the natural world proceeding equally from the divine Word, the first as dictated by the Holy Spirit, the second as a very faithful executor of the commands of God', as he wrote in his letter to Father Benedetto Castelli on 21 December 1613. The Second Vatican Council says the same thing, even adopting similar language in its teaching: 'Methodical research, in all realms of knowledge, if it respects... moral norms, will never be genuinely opposed to faith: the reality of the world and of faith have their origin in the same God' (Gaudium et Spes, 36). Galileo sensed in his scientific research the presence of the Creator who, stirring in the depths of his spirit, stimulated him, anticipating and assisting his intuitions”: John Paul II, Address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (10 November 1979): Insegnamenti, II, 2 (1979), 1111-1112. From the Vatican website: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/enc...
For more information, see: http://web.archive.org/web/20071209222631/
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- BlaireLv 44 years ago
do you see any parallels between the church denying heliocentric theory in spite of the overwhelming evidence because it contradicted their scriptures and yourselves denying evolution in spite of the overwhelming evidence because it contradicts your scriptures? I could compare and contrast the two. Similarities, are a group of people who believe that the Bible teaches something that current science has an alternative explanation for. People are trusting what they "think" the Bible teaches over what human beings are claiming is true. Differences: The Bible doesn't say that the earth is the center of the universe. The Bible does clearly teach that God made human beings from the elements of the earth and that He made plants and animals and that He made them to reproduce after their own "kind". Unlike determining the truth about the earth revolving around the sun which can be done through observation of real time events, determining the truth about what happened on this planet before any human beings were around to observe and record those events is basically scientists taking their "best guesses". That's why the "theory of evolution" is itself "evolving". It isn't like the earth going around the sun. Scientists are not coming up with new ideas to explain the fact that the earth revolves around the sun. They may be coming up with new ideas about how the sun and the earth came into being and how our solar system came to be but that's not the same as stating as a scientific fact that the earth revolves around the sun.
- happygaelLv 69 years ago
Matthew should go back to school. Try to learn something besides bigotry
- 9 years ago
Matthew: There's no need to be both bigoted and uneducated. The Catholic church did no such thing, and Catholics were the first Christians.
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- MistyLv 79 years ago
I'm not a creationist, but I am a Catholic.
The first person to purpose the heliocentric theory was Copernicus, a Catholic priest. He was not imprisoned for it...in fact he was encouraged.
When Galileo first introduced his theory, even his scientific peers thought he was a joke. Many people wrongly believe Galileo proved heliocentricity. He could not answer the strongest argument against it, which had been made nearly two thousand years earlier by Aristotle: If heliocentrism were true, then there would be observable parallax shifts in the stars’ positions as the earth moved in its orbit around the sun. However, given the technology of Galileo’s time, no such shifts in their positions could be observed
Galileo could have safely proposed heliocentricity as a theory or a method to more simply account for the planets’ motions. His problem arose when he stopped proposing it as a scientific theory and began proclaiming it as truth, though there was no conclusive proof of it at the time. He moved from the realm of science to the realm of theology...that was his mistake.
Galileo came to Rome to see Pope Paul V (1605-1621). The pope, weary of controversy, turned the matter over to the Holy Office, which issued a condemnation of Galileo’s theory in 1616. Things returned to relative quiet for a time, until Galileo forced another showdown.
When Galileo met with the new pope, Urban VIII (a good friend of Galileo), in 1623, he received permission from his longtime friend to write a work on heliocentrism, but the new pontiff cautioned him not to advocate the new position, only to present arguments for and against it. Galileo wrote the "Dialogue on the Two World Systems" he created a character name Simplicio to voice the argument Pope Urban had given him. The Pope felt as if Galileo was making fun of him. Urban felt mocked and could not believe how his friend could disgrace him publicly. Galileo had mocked the very person he needed as a benefactor. He also alienated his long-time supporters, the Jesuits, with attacks on one of their astronomers. This brought on the infamous trial.
Galileo eventually retracted his theory. He was placed on house arrest (a mansion in France owned by a friend) but was given a great deal of freedom to continue his work. Imprisonment, no matter how comfortable, is still imprisonment. The Church's condemnation was wrong, and the Church has since apologized.
But the idea that the controversy was born of a religious contempt for science is just not true. The Church was and is, a great proponent of science and research. The Church has always seen it as a means to know God. Galileo had more problems with the fact that he had embarrassed and mocked the pope, his friend, and that he insisted his hypothesis be deemed truth when (at that time) it lacked substantiating evidence.
@Matthew - you're wrong. It was a theory because no one believed it at that time and there was no proof yet. The idea that Protestants (just because they weren't Catholics) had some sort of ability to know more than the current scientific minds of the day, shows your own ignorance of history.
"Opposition was first raised against the Copernican system by Protestant theologians for Biblical reasons, and strange to say it has continued, at least sporadic-ally, to our own days. A list of many of their pamphlets is enumerated by Beckmann. On the Catholic side opposition only commenced seventy-three years later, when it was occasioned by Galileo."
Catholics are Christians, by the way, but history proves that Protestants (non-Catholic Christians) had no better insight into the orbit of the earth than anyone else.
- Gabby JohnsonLv 79 years ago
"my avatar is a picture of a child rapist, not a prophet "
That's a statement which is based on xenophobia that is fueled by ignorance.
- MatthewLv 79 years ago
It was the Roman Catholic Church that said the sun orbited the earth, not Christians.