In Jude 9, why couldn't Michael the Archangel make a judgement against the Devil?

Jude 1:9 (New International Version, ©2010)

9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”[a]

Jude 1:9 (New Century Version)

9 Not even the archangel[a] Michael, when he argued with the devil about who would have the body of Moses, dared to judge the devil guilty. Instead, he said, "The Lord punish you."

Footnotes:

Jude 1:9 archangel The leader among God's angels or messengers.

Michael the Archangel is God's Son, also called Jesus Christ (1 Thess. 4:16)

So if he said the Lord/Jehovah God would do the rebuking, how can he be equal with God and the same?

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  • Anonymous
    10 years ago
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    Greetings,

    Obviously, if Jesus is Michael then he cannot be equal with or the same as Jehovah God.

    So, your question is a good one for all those Trinitarians who feel that Michael is a name for Christ. But, most modern Trinitarians have changed their belief and now disagree with the Catholic and Protestant church “fathers” who taught that Jesus was Michael.

    On the other hand, the doctrine that Jesus is not God almighty is a very clear and explicit teaching in the Bible. At least 17 times scriptures say that Jesus has a God over him which clearly proves that Jesus cannot be Almighty God (Mic.5:4; Ps.45:7; 89:26; Jn.20:17; Heb.1:9; 1Pt.1:3; Rev.1:6; 3:2,12).

    Scriptures repeatedly show that Jesus is less than God at every point of his existence. At the highest position he will ever attain, Jesus still has a God over him and is "subject" to *GOD* the same way we are "subject" to him (Jn. 14:28; 1Cor.15:27,28).

    However, a comparison of Biblical statements lead to the logical conclusion that Michael was Christ’s heavenly name. Myself and other have posted extensive Scriptural evidence which has led many Bible scholars throughout history to conclude that Jesus is Michael the Archangel.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AvQ7O...

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    Some cite Jude 9 as evidence that Michael could not be the Christ because he would not rebuke Satan while they believe that Christ certainly would.

    Yet, those who say this are misconstruing Jude 9. Jude does not say Jesus COULD NOT “rebuke” Satan, it says he didn't “judge abusively” (KRISIS BLASPHEMEO) against Satan. This is something which Jesus never did even of humans on earth.

    Vine’s Greek Expository Dictionary tells us the denotation of the word KRISIS: "Krisis does not come under category of accusation. But signifies a passing of judgement, a decision given concerning anything."

    The NIV says: “But even the archangel Michael, ...did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

    Although more powerful than humans, angels also do not use harsh abusive language (KRISIS BLASPHEMEO), even of human opposers (2Pet. 2:11).

    Most Trinitarians agree that the angel of the LORD (YHWH) is the Christ, a so-called theophany. Yet even Christ, as the angel of the LORD also did not rebuke Satan, but said at Zech 3:2 “Jehovah rebuke you,” exactly the words of Michael. Therefore, neither Michael nor Christ rebuked Satan.

    When Jude quoted from Zech 3:2 and said “The LORD rebuke you” he was making a request of Jehovah for the future. “EPITIMESAI, optative mood; a wish about the future."—A.T. Robertson’s Word Pictures

    Even when Jesus did “rebuke” (EPITIMHSAI) the demons (Mt 17:18), it is made clear by the parallel account (Mr 9:29) that it was not done on his own authority, but through prayer to God (Jn.8:15,16,28; Jn.5:19,30).

    So Christ’s rebuke of Mat 17 was not the same as that spoken of in Jude. This rebuke did not equal a final judgement, a KRISIS BLASFHMEW, something even Christ will not do until God's future time (Jn.3:17; 12:47; 2Tim.4:1; Heb 2:7-9; 10:12,13; Jd.1:6).

    But Jesus was eventually GIVEN the power to judge (krisis) according to John 5:22-30 (cf. 2Pet. 2:11, Heb. 2:7-9; 10:12,13). Yet, even then it would not be of his own authority (Jn 5:19, 22, 27, 30). So, Jesus didn't run ahead of Jehovah's appointed time for dealing with Satan. He also waited on God in heaven after his resurrection before condemning Satan (Heb. 10:12,13).

    While both Michael and Christ refused to directly rebuke Satan, now they BOTH do! In Rev 12:7 Michael rebukes Satan in the most forceful way, defeating him in battle, casting him down to the earth and then hurling him into the abyss (Rev. 20:1-3). This is something that the Scriptures said Christ would do (Mt 8:29).

    Therefore, Jude 9 does not preclude Jesus from being Michael. Again, *both* Michael and Jesus had to wait for God to sanction their action against their enemies.

    Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine is not affected in the slightest if Michael is not Christ. Therefore, it is no problem if our logical conclusions regarding Michael are proved wrong when those new scrolls are opened! (Jn.17:3; 1Jn.4:15; Rm.10:9) On the other hand, Trinitarians are aware of the difficulties caused if Christ is identified as Michael due to the extremely strong implications of his inferiority.

    Yours,

    BAR-ANERGES

  • B F
    Lv 6
    10 years ago

    Because it is not time yet.

    Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

    Revelation 20:1-2 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

    And Jude 1:9 was talking about how we should talk to one another, even while rebuking the devil, seen in Jude 1:10.

    Jude 1:10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals-these are the very things that destroy them.

  • IJAH
    Lv 6
    10 years ago

    Well, now that he reigns, He can and will rebuke them for it is His job, He is already in action, and the angels and all his servants are doing just that. 1 Corinthians 5:6" Does anyone of YOU that has a case against the other dare to go to court before unrighteous men, and not before the holy ones? 2 Or do YOU not know that the holy ones will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by YOU, are YOU unfit to try very trivial matters? 3 Do YOU not know that we shall judge angels? Why, then, not matters of this life? "

    Source(s): NWT
  • edoedo
    Lv 7
    10 years ago

    Yes, Michael is Jesus Christ and I do agree with you all the way!

    Because Michael is Jesus that why he is not God. The only one God is Jehovah no other God or no other or anything that can be above him.

    Jehovah God has the power.

    Really, Michael is not God.

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  • 10 years ago

    He could have but he knew he would displease his Father, Jehovah. The judging is left to Jehovah. Michael, as Jesus on earth, did not judge Satan in the desert. His reply is at Matthew 3:10.....

    Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

    BALLEURENA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Jesus and Michael are one in the same. Do research and see they both mean the same. No coincidence. Also Jesus was created. Read Proverbs 8:22 on. It is Jesus speaking. Meditate on the scripture and read it again. Pray for guidance.

    Source(s): Study of the scriptures.
  • ?
    Lv 7
    10 years ago

    Because He can not. He can only say what Christians would say to Satan. The Lord Rebuke You.

    God has the absolute Power. But that does not mean the Angles won't fight for him or us.

    God Bless Ya,

    Chicago Bob

    imasinner

    There is more joy in Jesus in one day.

    Than there is in the World 365/24/7

    I know, I tried them both.

    Source(s): Jude!
  • sabraw
    Lv 4
    4 years ago

    The Lord Rebuke You

  • 10 years ago

    The name Michael means “Who Is Like God?” The desire to be like God was the initial sin of Satan (Is. 14:14). It was also the enticement that Satan offered Eve: “You will be like God” (Gen. 3:5). Michael, though opposing Satan, refused to bring a reviling accusation against him. Michael would not even accuse Satan, the chief of blasphemers, of being a blasphemer. Instead, he left judgment to God. This reverence for the prerogatives of God stands in great contrast to the heretics who were slandering anyone and everyone (vv. 10)

    Radmacher, E. D., Allen, R. B., & House, H. W. (1999). Nelson's new illustrated Bible commentary (Jud 9). Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers.

    Michael is NOT Jesus Christ. Angels are created beings. Christ is not (John 1)

  • Simon
    Lv 4
    10 years ago

    Probably because Satan said something that Michael didn't find humor in. Satan is not evil. No evil exists unless created/allowed by God. Look up every story in the Old Testament concerning the Satan -- nothing he does is without the explicit permission of God.

    Christians have morphed him into this evil, ruling lord of the hell. Which, denotes he is able to be worshiped, which further denotes that Christianity is not monotheistic. Which -- removes the "there is only one God" idea.

  • ART'd
    Lv 5
    10 years ago

    Only GOD has the right to judge against the devil.

    Source(s): THE BIBLE
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