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Is the Roman Catholic Church...?
Is the Roman Catholic Church still separated from the Eastern Orthodox Church as was caused by the Great East-West Schism?
Also I admittedly know little of the Eastern Church, so can you help by telling me if:
* They have an equivalent to the Pope or Papacy
* Their Priest are still allowed to be married, and are they called Father, too
* The Roman Catholic Church is based in Vatican City, is there such a base for the Eastern faith?
I know it was based in Russia, Moscow?, but Communism put an end to that until it relaxed
some religious restrictions during WW2
Anything else that could be told about the subject would be greatly appreciated.
This is not for a college paper or exam, it is just for my own personal questions, so thank you in advance!!
BTW, just for your information I am not personally adherent to either of these faiths, but am a Christian and avid student of history and have studied history for years and I just discovered the East-West Schism (if you don't know what that means Googling it will provide a Wiki page with some info) so I'd love to learn more about the differences. Thanks for any help you as always way too kind!...
- John SLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
As a Catholic (Roman Catholic to be precise), I may have some insight....
Avid student of History and didn't know about the Great Schism? -- hmm, hard to believe.
Try typing in a few key terms followed by "wiki" in Google and you can get some basic information pretty quickly.
The R&S section on Y!As is not the best place for accurate info. You'll typically get very biased and jaded answers from very opinionated people.
The Roman Catholic, aka Western Catholicism, aka Latin Rite, AND the Eastern Orthodox churches are separate but BOTH fully Catholic and of one faith.
That is, their Core Doctrines are shared, they BOTH have a link back to the Apostles.
They continue to meet and discuss their differences and issue Shared statements of belief.
The Eastern Orthodox churches do not have a Pope, as they believe that Peter was the First amongst EQUALS, and therefore everything should be decided by ecumenical council.
Roman Catholics believe that Christ appointed 1 head of the Church and Peter was FIRST amongst Equals, but still FIRST.
Eastern Orthodox Priests may still marry, this has not changed.
Because the Orthodox faith is ran by semi-autonomous Patriarchs, there is no Central headquarters, but if there was, it would be Constaniople.
Eastern Orthodoxy is not Based in Russia.. That is but 1 branch of it.. the Russian Orthodox Church. There is also the Coptic Church, the Chinese Orthodox, Greek Orthodox and Chalderean Catholics.
There is also an Armenian Church and I believe a Syrian Church, as well.
Together they form "Eastern Orthodoxy" and are all semi-autonomous with their own patriarch which links back to an apostle.Source(s): A Catholic's perspective.
- OPsaltisLv 71 decade ago
The Roman Church is still separate from the other ancient, Eastern Orthodox churches.
Each region has its own Patriarch; the Pope was the patriarch of all the churches in the Western Roman Empire, while the Eastern Roman Empire (which lasted until 1453) had four major patriarchates, those of Constantinople (the capital, now Istanbul, Turkey -- which is NOT the capital of Turkey!), Antioch (now based in Damascus, Syria), Alexandria, and Jerusalem. There are now 13 autocephalous "self-headed" Orthodox Church administrations, each over its own territory (Russia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Crete, etc.). There is no "one bishop to rule them all". They maintain frequent contact by meetings of the chief bishops.
Married men may be ordained deacons and priests; in general, once ordained, they cannot marry.
There is no one center of Eastern Orthodoxy, though the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople is the "first among equals" -- having the highest honor, but not ruling the others. The Russian church is probably the largest, these days.
- nahasLv 45 years ago
Roman Catholic is led via the Pope in Rome. Coptic way Egyptian. Orthodox Coptic have their possess church hierarchy. They do not comply with the Pope. However, some of the ideals and rituals are very an identical.
- imacatholic2Lv 71 decade ago
Yes, we are still separated.
The Orthodox and Catholic Churches were one and the same until they separated from one another in 1054 mainly over the role of the Pope.
There are very few theological differences. The main difference is that the Orthodox Churches (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11329a.htm) use the Byzantine Rite (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04312d.htm) and the Catholic Church use the Roman or Latin Rite.
Another difference is the Filioque clause in the Nicene Creed, the original which the Orthodox follow is
"And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father."
And the Catholic revision is:
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son."
Pope John Paul II said of the Orthodox Churches in Orientale Lumen, "A particularly close link already binds us. We have almost everything in common."
For the entire document, see: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apo...
With love in Christ.
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- MichałLv 61 decade ago
Yes, separation still exists.
No, there is no Orthodox Pope - universal Bishop.
Married men can become Priests and they are called "fathers".
No, there is no one center for the Eastern Orthodox Church.Source(s): Eastern Orthodox Christian
- answer4youLv 61 decade ago
Phillip... unfortunately, we still are. However, there has been dialogue between us for some time now and I can only pray that we will one day be united and the E. Orthodox Church will come home.
- 1 decade ago
there are 15 autochepalous and 5 autonomous local churches:
church of Constantinople (jurisdictiona in many countries. main: in Turkey, USA - Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of N America and FInland - which is autonomous church)
church of Alexandria (main jurisdictiona all over the Africa)
church of Antioch (main jurisdictiona in Syria, all East and in southern and N America - Antiochian Orthodox Archdiocese of N america)
church of Jerusalem (main jurisdictiona in Israel, Palestine, Jordan and etc)
church of Russia (main jurisdctiona in Russia and Ukraine - autonomous, and in US and Canada)
church of Georgia (main jurisdictiona in Georgia)
church of Serbia (main jurisdictiona in Serbia and US and Canda)
church of Romania (main jurisdictionsa in ROmania
church of Bulgaria (main jurisdictions in Bulgaria
church of Cyprus (main Jurisdictions in Cyprus)
church of Greece (main jurisdictions in Grece)
church of Poland (main jurisdictions in Poland and Brazil)
church of Albania (main jurisdictions in Albania)
church of Czech and Slovak (main jurisdictions in Czech and Slovak)
Orthodox church in America (jurisdictions in US and Canada)
9 of them has Patriarrch, one of them - Patriacrh of alexandria and all africa has a title of pope too, and Patriacrh of all Georgia has also title of Catholicos.
primates of 5 churches are Metropolitans and primate of church of Greece is Archbishop.
Catholic church isn't based on Vatican, the popes were hierarchs of Rome.
yes and all churches have Cathedral cities. for exmple patriacrh of Jerusalem is Patriacrh of all Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Arabia and etc... but Cathedral is in Jerusalem, I mean Patriacrh is in Jerusalem, and in Catholic church cathedral is in Rome.
ok now differences between these churches:
Roman church was Apostolic church, until Roman church went in schhism and recived Fillioque and pope's and apostle Peter's primacy.
the situation was strained between church of Constantinople and church of Rome because:
there were many abrogates of traditions and cannons in Roman church, Pope didn't recognized new Patriarch of Constantinople (but he was cannonical Patriarch, and even precious Patriarch recognized him as cannonical Patriarch, but the pope recognized only previous Patriarch) and Romans wanted to spread their jurisdiction on Slavic teritories (today Russia, Ukraine, Belorus...)
but they wanted church of Constantinople because they were preaching in their Slavic language and Romans only in Latin.
so rome entered in schism with no recognation of the patriarch
and there were many abrogates in traditions and cannons in Roman church.
so the great schism, even if Romans didn't recive new doctrines, was their fault.
but the main reason of the great schism were: Pope's primacy and Filioque.
today dogmatical differences are:
1. Pope's primacy
3. Papal infallibility
4. Primacy of Apostol Peter
5. the first Marian Dogma
6. the second Marian Dogma (which isresembling only in outwardly)
7. Roman Catholic teaching about Purgatory
8. Eucharist without wine and with unleavened bread
9. Roman Catholic teaching about deliverance (which was the reason of indulgences and one of the reasons of formation of protetestantism)
10. Roman Catholic teaching about the original sin
and other canonical differences are:
11. theological view about the sacrament of confession
12. sacrament of priesthood
13. theological view about sacrament of marriage
15. ccrossing oneself from the left to the right with five fingers
(also sacrament of baptism, most theologians think that it is done wrongly in R.C church which uses the form "I baptize you'')
ok, let's say something about some of them:
Filioque - yes some saints agreed that holy spirit comes from the son too, like st. augustine, but it was their personal view and they didn't recive it like dogma, and what is the main didn't change the creed.
Catholics belive that Holy spirit comes from father and from the son too, they dared and changed the creed and even if filioque was true they shouldn't have changed the creed because holy fathers coursed who would changed not a word, even a syllable too!
Catholics argumentation is Pentecost, but that doesn't mean that Filioque is true, look what Jesus says:
"But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds FROM THE FATHER, He will testify of Me."
so, Jesus sends us Holy Spirit but comes from the father EVERLASTING.
the Pope's primacy:
Catholics say that church is built on Peter and that's why Pope is a head of church.
BUT: church is built on the faith of Peter, not on Peter when he said: ''You are the Christ, the Son of the living God'', and on this faith is built the church of Christ and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. because it was the strongest recognation, but who recognized Peter in this words? Jesus Christ, that means rock is not Peter ROck is that faith and that faith recognizes Christ and church is built on Jesus Christ, that means JEsus is the head of Church :) not on peter, on faith of Peter, and faith of Peter is Jesus Christ. so unity isn't in a pope, unity is Jesus Christ, but for Catholics unity is in pope, because they think that pope is above the church, but there is noone above the church, coz church is the body of Christ.
infabillity of pope on ex cathedra. - Catholic church hasn't argumantations to recognize it as a dogma. and Catholic church anathemizig them who don't agree that (Vatican council). and we - Eastern Orthodox officially disagree that and even it's heresy for us. if infabillity on ex CAthedra is the true, than why sayed pope John Paul that Eastern Orthodox and roman Catholic churches are two lungs of the same church and deny of Orthodoxy is deny of Catholicism? he sayed it not as from his personal opinions, as a pope, like on ex cathedra. and this isn't only his opinion, Catholic church officially recognizes us as a true church.
ok, let's suppose pope John Paul was right, but we officially deny that dogma, that means if infabillity of pope is true, we are heretics, but ROman Catholic church doesn't call us heretics, and even pope sayed that we have true faith. how can it be? can heretical church be true?
if Catholic church anathemizing them, who don't agree that dogma, than why she tries to unite with us - who deny papal infabillity? - so this DOGMA IS AGAINST ITSELF. there are many reasons to say, that infabillity of pope is heresy.
many popes made mistakes on Ex cathedra. like pope Liberius agreed heresy of Aryanism, as a pope, as the father. but we know that Arianism is heresy and Catholic church recognizes it? (but he confessed and now he's saint, he lived before the great schism).
many popes disagreed eachother even on ex cathedra.
and there are many details, and Catholic church can't answer it frankly.
even on meeting Apostles were telling how were they preaching, was it wrong or right and etc...
what is a human without body, or without soul? it's not full human, so his regret isn't full. a human can be saved when he will cnfess, but how can he confess in ''purgatory?'' he can't, because he's incomplete human without body and he's regret will be incomplete too. and all men will complete on the second comeing when they will be resurected - they will be full humans, with bodie and with souls together, but the difference is that the body will conspired with soul, soul won't be conspired with body like in this world.
Catholics argumentation about purgatory Maccabees 12:39-45 and Corinthians 3:12-15, but there isn't talk about purgatory, and we can't read about it in Bible, this argumentations are false, because wepray for dead people and do virtues for there names coz, there situations there can go better and Jesus Christ can forgive them, on the second comeing, on the The Last Judgment .
and in purgatory people are forgiven by punishing. but the god isn't punisher, he punishes us to have regret, to enter the heaven with regret, and in if belive in purgatory, the god wants that w
come to original church - Eastern Orthodox church!