Should the Stork Theory be taught in American Public Schools [read details]?
Steve Jones, the award-winning geneticist and author, argued that suggesting that creationism and evolution be given equal weight in education was “rather like starting genetics lectures by discussing the theory that babies are brought by storks”. Panda's thumb
007: I know the Dover trial Good man. I love this quote. I have a B.A. in Anthropology and can't believe America is so backwards with science.
Derchin master: Good list, I always say the same thing. ALL creation stories.
miss mouse: Are you assuming I'm an Atheist? I am actually a Deist/Pantheist and I can separate my beliefs from science. Just so you know, Kenneth Miller is Roman Catholic and a Biologist who helped win the Kitzmiller vs. Dover case.
- DerchinLv 69 years agoBest Answer
Equal time would mean teaching
other versions of creationism from other denominations of Christianity (including young-earth, old-earth, day-age, gap theory, geocentrism, and flat earth). All have equal basis for being taught, since they are all based on exactly the same Bible. All are mutually incompatible (DYG 2000; Watchtower 1985, 186; Morris 1984, 215-247).
other versions of scientific creationism from other religions. Claims have been made for Muslim, Hindu, and Native American versions of creationism.
The only legal precedent favoring creationism in the United States in the last fifty years was an Interior Department decision finding, on the basis of native creation and flood myths, that 9400-year-old Kennewick Man was associated with present-day Native American tribes (Chatters 2001, 266).
creation traditions from other religions and cultures, including, but not limited to, the Aaragon, Abenaki, Acoma, Ainu, Aleut, Amunge, Angevin, Anishinabek, Anvik-Shageluk, Apache, Arapaho, Ararapivka, Arikara, Armenian, Arrernte, Ashkenazim, Assiniboine, Athabascan, Athena, Aztec, Babylonian, Balinese, Bannock, Bantu, Basque, Blackfoot, Blood, Bosnian, Breton, Brul, Bundjalung, Burns Paiute, Caddo, Cahuilla, Catalan, Cayuga, Cayuse, Celt, Chehalis, Chelan, Cherokee, Chewella, Cheyenne, Chickasaw, Chinook, Chippewa, Chirachaua, Choctaw, Chukchi, Coeur d'Alene, Columbia River, Colville, Comanche, Congolese, Concow, Coquille, Cow Creek, Cowlitz, Cree, Creek, Croat, Crow, Crow Creek, Cumbres, Curonian, Cushite, Cut Head, Da'an, Devon, Dihai-Kutchin, Diyari, Dogon, Duwamish, Egyptian, Elwha, Eritrean, Eskimo, Esrolvuli, Eta, Even, Evenk, Flathead, Fijian, Fox, Fuegan, Gaul, Gooniyandi, Gond, Govi Basin Mongolian, Grand Ronde, Gros Ventre, Haida, Han, Haranding, Havasupai, Hendriki, Heortling, Hidatsa, Hindi, Hmong, HoChunk, Hoh, Hoopa, Hopi, Hunkpapa, Hutu, Ik-kil-lin, Inca, Innu, Intsi Dindjich, Inuit, Iroquois, Isleta, Itchali, Itelemen, It-ka-lya-ruin, Itkpe'lit, Itku'dlin, Jicarilla Apache, Jotvingian, Kaiyuhkhotana, Kalapuya, Kalispel, Kamchandal, Kansa, Karuk, Katshikotin, Kaurna, Kaw, Kazahk, Ketschetnaer, Khanti, Khoi-San, Khymer, Kickapoo, Kiowa, Kirghiz, Kitchin-Kutchin, Klamath, Knaiakhotana, K'nyaw, Koch-Rajbongshi, Kolshina, Kono, Kootenai, Koyukukhotana, !Kung, Kurd, La Jolla, Lac Courte D'Oreille, Lac Du Flambeau, Laguna, Lake, Lakota, Lao, Latgalian, Leech Lake Chippewa, Lemmi, Lower Brul, Lower Yanktonai, Lowland Lummi, Lummi, Malawi, Makah, Mandan, Maori, Maricopan, Martinez, Mayan, Mazatec, Mednofski, Menominee, Meryam Mir, Mesa Grande, Mescalero Apache, Metlakatla, Miniconjou, Mission, Moallalla, Modoc, Mohawk, Mojave, Morongo, Muckleshoot, Murrinh-Patha, Nadruvian, Nagorno-Karabakh, Na-Kotchpo-tschig-Kouttchin, Nambe, Namib, Natche'-Kutehin, Navajo, Nes Pelem, Neyetse-kutchi, Nez Perce, Ngiyampaa, Nisqualli, Nnatsit-Kutchin, Nomelackie, Nooksack, Norman, Norse, Northern Cheyenne, Nyungar, Oglala, Ogorvalte, Ojibway, Okanagon, Okinawan, Olmec, Omaha, Oneida, Onondaga, Ordovices, Orlanthi, Osage, Osetto, O-til'-tin, Otoe, Paakantyi, Paiute, Pala Mission, Papago, Pawnee, Pazyryk, Pechango, Penan, Piegan, Pima, Pitt River, Ponca, Potowatomie, Prussian, Pueblo, Puyallup, Qiang, Quileute, Quinault, Red Cliff Chippewa, Red Lake Chippewa, Redwood, Rincon, Sac, Saisiyat, Sakuddeis, Salish, Salt River, Samish, Samoan, Samogitian, San Carlos Apache, San Idlefonso, San Juan, San Poil, Santa Clara, Sartar, Sauk-Suiattle, Selonian, Semigolian, Seminole, Senecan, Sephardim, Serano, Serb, Shasta, Shawnee, Shiite, Shinnecock, Shoalwater Bay, Shoshone, Sikh, Siletz, Silures, Sinhalese, Sioux, Siskiyou, Sisseton, Siuslaw, Skalvian, S'Klallam, Skokomish, Skyomish, Slovene, Snohomish, Snoqualmie, Soboba, Southern Cheyenne, Spokane, Squaxin Island, Steilacoom, Stillaquamish, Stockbridge, Sunni, Suquamish, Swinomish, Tadjik, Takhayuna, Tala, Talastari, Tamil, Tanaina, Taos, Tarim, Tasman, Tatar, Tesuque, Tlingit, Toltec, Tpe-ttckie-dhidie-Kouttchin, Tranjik-Kutchin, Truk, Tukkutih-Kutchin, Tulalip, Tungus, Turtle Mountain, Tuscarora, Turk, Turkmen, Tutsi, Ugalakmiut, Uintah, Umatilla, Umpqua, Uncompagre, U-nung'un, Upper Skagit, Ute, Uzbek, Vietnamese, Viking, Vunta-Kutchin, Wahpeton, Walla Walla, Wasco, Wembawemba, White Mountain Apache, Wichita, Wik-ungkan, Winnebago, Wiradjuri, Wylackie, Xhosa, Yahi, Yakama, Yakima, Yakut, Yanamamo, Yankton Sioux, Yellowknife, Yindjibarnd, Youkon Louchioux, Yukaghir, Yukonikhotana, Yullit, Yuma, Zjen-ta-Kouttchin, and Zulu. (from Leipzig, n.d.)
Creationists do not want all of these taught in science class any more than science educators do. Clearly, creationism in school is an attempt to get greater time than all the opposing views, not equal time. That is not fair.
- WoodstockLv 69 years ago
Absolutely! Stork Theory is THE TRUTH! God made storks, and storks bring babies! My Mommy the Real Pastor who never reads 1st Corinthians told me so!
- Rebecca LaurieLv 69 years ago
Yep. If you're going to teach creationism magic (someone blew into a handful of dirt to make humans) as an "alternative theory" to evolution in a SCIENCE class, then yeah. Teach alchemy as an alternative to chemistry and astrology as an alternative to astronomy and that God shaking the pillars of the earth (as the Bible says) is the alternative in Geology to shifting tectonic plates in the earth as the reason for earthquakes.
In fourth-grade science, teach the "alternative theory" of high and low pressure air systems causing thunder storm verses "it's the angel's bowling".
It all makes sense, right? And everyone ideas deserves equal time in a SCIENCE class, no matter how UN-scientific it is or how it is based on conjecture and lack of evidence.
I am, however, glad my kids are already off at University.
@007: They added creationism back into the textbooks in Texas just this year. Two years ago I had to go to 3 council meetings in Kansas because "Focus on the Family" was pushing to get it back into the books there as well. They're also cooking the history books in Texas.
- Anonymous9 years ago
This has been a non-issue since 2005 (Dover trial). Creationism isn't being and will never be taught in American schools.
Indeed, but I think we're finally moving in the right direction. Once the Baby Boom generation peters out, I'm thinking the path ahead will be clear.
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- 9 years ago
Steve Jones proposal is actually a logical fallacy called a sweeping generalization. This fallacy is a generalization that disregards exceptions.
His fallacy has no relevance to the truth of his claim - one way or another. But his argument is fallacious and lacks logical robustness.
- Anonymous9 years ago
All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
- Anonymous9 years ago
Teach the Controversy!™
(We also need to discuss the quasi-hypothetical validity of the geocentric model, the four humors, and Atlantis.)
- Miss MouseLv 69 years ago
Based on the number of R&S atheists I've encountered who believe a 'non-human blob of tissue' magically turns into a human being at birth, I thought it already was.
- jimmehLv 49 years ago
it is pretty rediculous but the christians like to try and look like theres some sort of legitimacy to their beliefs. they vote only for christians, and as such it is inevitable that they would try to drag the education system back into the dark ages.
- Anonymous9 years ago
I have taken lectures from steve jones.
In case you are interested, he actually starts genetics lectures by showing the following pictureSource(s): ucl
- GeeDawg42Lv 59 years ago
Steve Jones' inaccurate understanding plus bias yields an inaccurate analogy.
Such insults are common when there is lack of knowledge. A cornerstone of most prejudices.Source(s): Logic