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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 10 years ago

christians and atheist how do you come up with your reasoning's?

since there is no proof that jesus lived (in fact there is more proof that he did not live) and most atheist will argue that point to the grave.because there is nothing that he wrote they don't know when his birthday was and no one can tell you where he was buried!..right?

yet at the same time they want you to believe that socrates was real...there is nothing written by him etc,,,,,,

how do you explain your belief in one and not the other!

i don't believe that either was real!

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  • 10 years ago
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    Nobody, not Plato or Xenophon, both students of Socrates who wrote of him, claimed he had miraculous powers. You're right, he may or may not have existed, but the philosophy attributed to him is far more important than his physical existence. Jesus may have also existed, and his disciples wrote of his teachings, but it's apparent that his miracles and his death and rising are far more important to Christians than his teachings.

    Think of it this way, there are about five good candidates that historians have determined might be the historic persons upon whom the myths of King Arthur are based. These are sixth century Romano-British War Chiefs, fighting Saxon incursion. Personally, I think it likely that all five had a hand in generating the stories the grew into the Myth of King Arthur, but it matters not. None of them drew a magical sword from a stone, or presided over a Utopian Camelot.

    Whether or not there was a man Jesus, it has little to do with someone who was one third of God dying to and rising to cleanse the world of sin.

    Edit: While I'll accede to Socrates possibly being a literary construct, Julius Caesar left far more physical evidence. The Historians others mention, like Tacitus, may (although they are probably later interpolations) mention Jesus, but they wrote reams about Caesar. And we have inscriptions on the buildings he commissioned, his pictures and political slogans on the coins he had minted, etc. And again, modern historians accept the evidence for the Man Caesar, but reject the claims that his was descended from Venus and became a God upon his death. Both of which were widely accepted at the time.

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  • Anonymous
    10 years ago

    Who said Socrates was real? There are some serious objections to this possibility. Apparently he was a fictitious creation of Plato. At the same time, and unlike Jesus, Socrates did have contemporaries who actually met him and wrote about him most notably by Plato, Aristotle, Aristophanes and Xenophon. This evidence is not necessarily conclusive but it does tip the scales just a bit. So, as far as actual evidence goes, Socrates 3, Jesus 0. It is "assumed" Socrates was real by many historians. It is also 'assumed' that Jesus may have been an actual historical figure. This has nothing to do with him being the "Son of God" regardless of what he said..

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  • 10 years ago

    Socrate's method of questioning is only a way of examining a problem. Without Socrates it probably is Plato's Method of questioning. The philosophy of asking questions doesn't really change.

    The philosophy is not relative to Socrates in the same way Christianity is relative to Jesus.

    Without Jesus existing, the foundation of Christianity's philosophy is debunked. Which has much greater effect in disproving the whole.

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  • Bruce
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    10 years ago

    Both Socrates and Jesus were real historical figures, but we do have far more contemporary historical evidence for Jesus. Not only to we have excellent contemporary biographies (the four gospels), but a sizable collection of letters written by his apostles and a much greater collection of writings from the disciples of the apostles (the fathers of the church). In addition, we have unfriendly writings by non-Christians, including Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, the Babylonian Talmud, and Lucian.

    Jesus is the best documented historical figure in the ancient world. If you are not prepared to accept the facts of his life, you might as well write off everyone who lived prior to the age of photography--except that we have a negative photographic image of Jesus on his burial cloth, the Shroud of Turin.

    Cheers,

    Bruce

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  • 10 years ago

    research Josephus a historian in the first century. there is plenty of proof from right when he was alive as a man

    Even critics of the time did not deny that he existed. ( only disclaimed him being the messiah)

    Jesus birthday is not reported on because its unimportant.

    There are two birthdays in the bible. Both pagans.

    both times someone was killed as a direct result of the celebration.

    It's safe to say the bible does not cast birthdays in a positive light.

    Jesus was buried but was resurrected. so therefore there is no burial site.

    and even if there was, I bet you could not find the burial site of many famous people from around the same time.

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  • 10 years ago

    Perhaps Socrates was a name under which Plato wrote much like Ben Franklin wrote as Poor Richard.

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  • Anonymous
    10 years ago

    If the people who supposedly knew Socrates (Plato, Xenophon etc.) claimed that he was the son of a supernatural, omnipotent entity, and he walked on water and raised people from the grave, I wouldn't believe a word they said.

    Edit:

    "so there is at least proof a man named Jesus lived."

    Actually 'Jesus' wasn't really his name. lol

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  • 10 years ago

    It is true that Socrates wrote nothing himself, however a lot of others did write about him. Plato, Xenophon, and Aristotle wrote in length about him. Aristophanes' comedy The Clouds was about his trial and execution. Also in plays by Callias, Eupolis, and Telecleides.

    Jesus is not mentioned in any contemporary works or reports. The nearest is an account 200 years after and that is thought to be a bit iffy.

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  • Tim A.
    Lv 4
    10 years ago

    I can give or take Socrates.

    I think the real difference here is that no one worships Socrates, builds buildings, churches, schools, community centers, and Socrates doesn't require your utmost adoration, your cash, or threaten you to eternal damnation if you don't do these things. No one wishes Socrates upon another being. No cash that I've seen says "In Socrates we trust", when in fact we don't.

    Big, BIG difference.

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  • 10 years ago

    I believe there is a wealth of evidence of the existence of Socrates.

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