I'm Confused !Why do the Mexicans think they still own the U.S. when they sold it.?

Is that like selling me your house and then want to move back into it after I bought it without permission?

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  • 9 years ago
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    "Is that like selling me your house and then want to move back into it after I bought it without permission?"

    How have you bought my house without permission? By making offers on land not for sale and then using war as a sale motive.

    "when they sold it.?" (in part)

    " Background to war"

    "On 1 March 1845, U.S. Pres. John Tyler signed legislation to authorize the U.S. to annex the Republic of Texas, effective 29 December 1845. The Mexican government, which had never recognized the Republic of Texas as an independent country, had warned that annexation would be viewed as an act of war. The United Kingdom and France, which both recognized the independence of the Republic of Texas, repeatedly tried to dissuade Mexico from declaring war against its neighbor. British efforts to mediate were fruitless, in part because additional political disputes (particularly the Oregon boundary dispute) arose between Mexico, Britain and the United States.

    Before the outbreak of hostilities, on 10 November 1845, Tyler's successor as president, James K. Polk, had sent negotiator John Slidell to Mexico to offer the country around $5 million for the territory of Nuevo México, and up to $40 million for Alta California. The Mexican government dismissed Slidell, refusing to even meet with him. Earlier that year Mexico had broken off diplomatic relations with the U.S., based partly on an interpretation of the Adams-Onís Treaty of 1819 (which independent Mexico had inherited) in which the U.S. had relinquished all claims to Mexican territory, ad infinitum.

    Polk, an expansionist, took insult and did little to prevent war with Mexico. After the Thornton Affair, a skirmish between Mexican and American troops which took place on disputed territory near the Rio Grande (see the Treaties of Velasco), Pres. Polk signed a declaration of war into effect on 13 May 1846, 49 days before the Mexican Congress was forced to formally declare war on 1 July. The Oregon Treaty, signed on 15 June avoiding war with Britain, gave the U.S. free hand to participate in the war for control of Mexico.".....

    "The California Channel & Farallon Islands (see history) are not included in the treaty and, therefore, are a potential case of territorial dispute between Mexico and the United States of America.

    Border disputes continued; the U.S.'s desire to expand its territory continued unabated and Mexico's economic problems persisted, leading to the controversial Gadsden Purchase in 1854 and William Walker's Republic of Lower California filibustering incident in that same year.".....

    "Controversy over community land grant claims in New Mexico persist to this day."

    http://www.answers.com/topic/treaty-of-guadalupe-h...

    "Teaching With Documents: The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo"

    "Under the terms of the treaty negotiated by Trist, Mexico ceded to the United States Upper California and New Mexico. This was known as the Mexican Cession and included present-day Arizona and New Mexico and parts of Utah, Nevada, and Colorado (see Article V of the treaty). Mexico relinquished all claims to Texas and recognized the Rio Grande as the southern boundary with the United States (see Article V).

    The United States paid Mexico $15,000,000 "in consideration of the extension acquired by the boundaries of the United States" (see Article XII of the treaty) and agreed to pay American citizens debts owed to them by the Mexican government (see Article XV). Other provisions included protection of property and civil rights of Mexican nationals living within the new boundaries of the United States (see Articles VIII and IX), the promise of the United States to police its boundaries (see Article XI), and compulsory arbitration of future disputes between the two countries (see Article XXI).

    Trist sent a copy to Washington by the fastest means available, forcing Polk to decide whether or not to repudiate the highly satisfactory handiwork of his discredited subordinate. Polk chose to forward the treaty to the Senate. When the Senate reluctantly ratified the treaty (by a vote of 34 to 14) on March 10, 1848, it deleted Article X guaranteeing the protection of Mexican land grants. Following the ratification, U.S. troops were removed from the Mexican capital.".....

    http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/guadalup...

    Just then what was in article ten of The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, this is the closest I have come in finding the wording of stricken article ten from The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. (in part)

    "Original ARTICLE X"

    "All grants of land made by the Mexican government or by the competent authorities, in territories previously appertaining to Mexico, and remaining for the future within the limits of the United States, shall be respected as valid, to the same extent that the same grants would be valid, to the said territories had remained within the limits of Mexico. But the grantees of lands in Texas, put in possession thereof, who, by reason of the circumstances of the country since the beginning of the troubles between Texas and the Mexican Government, may have been prevented from fulfilling all the conditions of their grants, shall be under the obligation to fulfill the said conditions within the periods limited in the same respectively; such periods to be now counted from the date of the exchange of ratifications of this Treaty: in default of which the said grants shall not be obligatory upon the State of Texas, in virtue of the stipulations contained in this Article.

    The foregoing stipulation in regard to grantees of land in Texas, is extended to all grantees of land in the territories aforesaid, elsewhere than in Texas, put in possession under such grants; and, in default of the fulfillment of the conditions of any such grant, within the new period, which, as is above stipulated, begins with the day of the exchange of ratifications of this treaty, the same shall be null and void."......

    http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/guadalu....

    "U.S. "Theft" of Mexican Territory"

    http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/guadalu3...

    "The New Mexico Constitution and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo"

    "Given this brief historical background, it becomes more apparent why New Mexicans wrote a unique document in 1910. They included the "additional" bill of rights, Article II, Section 5: "…the rights, privileges and immunities, etc. of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo." These rights are again reasserted in Article VII, Section 3, which guaranteed the right to vote regardless of religion, race, language, color or ability to speak the English language. Article VIII, Section 8 mandated teacher training for Spanish-speaking children. The Spanish-American Normal School at El Rito, when the other normal schools did not assume this responsibility, was founded for this specific purpose. Article VII, Section 10 forbade racial discrimination against children of Spanish descent, and guaranteed equal access to an education. They were "…never to be denied admission to the public schools, nor ever be classed in separate schools, but shall forever enjoy perfect equality with other children in public schools…" ....

    http://www.neta.com/~1stbooks/nmdoc.html

    "Q. Other than Spanish being a U.S. custom, having a base established continuously from the 1500's and up to the present time in the U.S., are there laws guaranteeing the Spanish language be protected in the U.S.?

    A. YES! There is a Federal and International Treaty called the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which guarantees American Citizens the right to speak the Spanish language in schools, courts of law, employment, and every day existence in California, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, and parts of Wyoming..

    1) The U.S. Congress ratified the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo March 1848. An act of Congress is the supreme law of the land, and every Judge in the U.S. shall be bound thereby.

    2) The TGH promises to “respect the rights” of the conquered Americans, this includes continuing their culture “Rights” as they and their forefathers before them did (culture includes language), property, and religious rights of Spanish speaking people living in the territory. Officially and unofficially the cultural, and property rights have been at the minimum ignored, either intentionally or unintentionally."

    http://www.neta.com/~1stbooks/help0.htm

    A promise was made and largely broken by the U.S. government to people affected by the evils of war is this about movements by the groups like Aztlan, Reconquista, and La Raza or is it about the peons who are forgotten but not yet gone, there are some of us alive still waiting for the fulfillment of The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

  • Yakuza
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM

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    Mexica Movement: for Reconquista of Atzlan

    The Mexica Movement is an organization made up mostly of Mexican Americans based in Los Angeles They feel that since they are indigenous to the North American continent they have the right to be here and there fore are not immigrants. they say that although Mexicans mostly have Native and Spanish blood the Spanish blood was the result of rape and they refuse acknowledge it as part of their heritage. They maintain that all indigenous people in North America are one people divided by false European borders and are the only owners of the continent. They claim that all people of European descent are the real illegal immigrants and that 'European colonists killed 95% of indigenous people in North America and stole the continent and its resources. They claim that all borders on the continent are false and European imposed They feel that white people should go back to Europe because they are still benefiting from the "crimes" of their ancestors. They also feel that they should receive reparations and they wish to rename the entire continent Anahuac and a single nation.

    Aztlan, Reconquista, and La Raza

    L.A. LATINOS CELEBRATE THE FARCE OF JULY

    Posted on July 4th, 2009 nocompromise

    Goodbye, Gringo America

    MEChA Calls for the Liberation of Aztlan

    Chicanos call the seven states of the Southwestern United States Aztlan . Its roots stem from a mythical land which the Aztecs supposedly once occupied north of Mexico City. In the modern context, Aztlan is the territory ceded to the United States by Mexico as part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo of 1848. Mexico agreed to the settlement and the U.S. paid for the land.

    Aztlan is the "A" in MEChA - Movemiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan - The student movement of Chicanos of Aztlan...one of the largest student movements in California...

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Any arguments over who has the rights to land due to original inhabitants died when the original inhabitants died. In order to establish that current Mexicans or Indians own pieces of America one must agree with racism and birthright. I do not feel people own land because of skin color or race. I do not think merely having certain ancestors entitles one to claim land either unless that ancestor actually hands them a deed. People cannot say, "I'm Mexican, Mexicans once lived here so give me the land". Racism is not legal in the US. All races have an equal opportunity to get a piece of land to live on.

  • Anonymous
    6 years ago

    Mexicans just need to get over themselves the USA is not Mexico. Mexicans need to petition Their own government in Mexico to make changes in Their county; so that they can build a better future for themselves and their children in Mexico.

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  • 9 years ago

    I can only assume they are attempting to reclaim the land- They come over here wanting a better life- yet they are turning this country into Mexico? Everything is in spanish- they constitution is being trampled on and they are bringing the violence and crime with them- They should be forced to show papers showing they are obeying the law just like every other person in this country- and every other country

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    selective memory

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    According to a just-published survey conducted by Zogby International, the polling firm found that a majority of Mexicans say the U.S. southwest "rightfully belongs to Mexico," and that Mexican citizens should be able to come into those areas freely, without U.S. permission.

    The poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, "The territory of the United States' southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico." Zogby said 28 percent disagreed, while another 14 percent said they weren't sure.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    9 years ago

    Especially when they stole the land they sold from the American Indians.

  • 9 years ago

    These people just don't get it , the U.S. isn't going to give the southwest to them , These people just don't get it , that our Military will Crush them like a bug .

  • 9 years ago

    Mexico's "sale" of S.W. United States involved the U.S. invasion and occupation of Mexico City. I doubt anyone really thinks it was a fair "sale" and was obviously made under duress. Most likely any truly impartial court would throw out the sale if any court really had jurisdiction. But then thats probably true of most exchanges of land through out world history. I doubt there are many Mexicans who honestly believe they still "own" it.

  • Kris
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    even more confusing why did the early settlers just think they can just take over the land when Indians were here first ?

    Source(s): early American history books
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