Christians, PLEASE be honest... does your God condone rape, genocide and slavery ANYWHERE in the Bible?
How about command or even commit as well?
'You are a slam dunk ignorant!'
What does that mean?
@Ross- God Jesus? I haven't quite heard of Christ referred to exactly like that before.
No, Christ just talked of eternal torture... nice.
Cut out the O.T. if you don't accept that God or stfu.
Christian ignorance of their own Bible used to be astounding but now it's downright expected.
Quickest way to atheism, read the Bible. Very true.
- 10 years agoFavorite Answer
Though God never did, there are several Biblical accounts where the authors thought that God did. And as both the Biblical and historical account of ancient Israel shows, this mistake came at a great price.
Leaving the slavery issue out for a moment (but I will return to it in the end and explain why), there are very clear statements made by several of the Israelites regarding their conquest of the land of Canaan. While the Exodus account is not considered to be historical even by mainstream Christianity (Fundamentalists have a different view), its narrative device of folklore does seem to match what is historically known about this nation, its relationship to Egypt, and an actual exodus of slaves that, while not taking place in one fell swoop as the Scriptural account reads, did happen in stages as Egypt began to lose its grip as a world power to Assyria.
Apparently, prior to the return of the nation from its captivity to Babylon, the Israelites went from thinking it impossible to gain control of a land which they believed had been promised to their patriarch Abraham to being so haughty about it that they their violent genocide of men, women, and even children in the Fertile Crescent was ascribed to the God of the Hebrews. From the books of Joshua through the account of Kings one can read this in countless places.
Something happened which the Bible seems silent about after the Babylonian exile and destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar. Upon returning to Palestine, the Jews never took the same view again. Sure, the Maqabim (Maccabees) did rise to fight at one point after their return, but it was a defensive position. One never reads such things as writers putting their words or views into God's mouth.
It seems that, while the books of prophecy that deal with the warnings of the Babylon invasion and the reasons for it mention the Jews as being greatly blood-guilty, it tends to at times lack a specific reason why. It is a hypothetical stand among some that such references have to deal with these things they did. Some of the details in the prophetic warnings also mention sexual sins, and while it is not clear if this has to do with what some see in the Mosaic Law as a condoning of rape, it is apparent that some forms of sexual practice which involved victimization was also included.
Not to be viewed as an excuse, mind you, but as a lesson that the Jews obviously had not fully grasped by the first century, it is interesting that this is not covered up at all. As exegete Father Oscar Lukefakr, C.M. explains that only with a Christocentric hermeneutical approach can critical analysis prove efficacious in understanding such passages: "It is not likely that God actually commanded Old Testament military leaders to slaughter every man, woman, and innocent child in the cities they overran. It is far more likely that these leaders mistakenly believed God to behind their directives and that their erroneous attitudes are reported as they perceived them."
This is what is referred to in exegetical approaches as cases of "imperfect" or "incomplete" theology. Revelation is a learning process, occurring over centuries, and it takes humans a long time to shed their current views of their Creator for the actual ones which represent him. Until history ends, all Christian understanding of God remains "imperfect" to the degree that so much is still not understood. In the Old Testament times this clearly included such incorrect attribution of criminal slaughter to God.
As for slaves, that was somewhat different than the slave trade of modern times. Time and space do not permit me to explain fully, but in that culture slaves were often loved as members of the family and even stood in line to inherit in place of firstborn sons. Because of the loyalty and care and emotional ties in this type of slaver/master arrangement, the Mosaic Law even had a means for a slave to remain eternally in their position should they love their master too much to leave (every 50 years all slaves had to be freed). And it is this loving "slave/master" model that was involved with a Roman centurion who begged Jesus to heal his dying servant, as well as being the language used for Jesus relationship to the Father, as well as Christians' relationship to Jesus. It has little to do with the evil slave trade that treated people as not even human that occurred in our modern era.
- IwonaLv 44 years ago
And God ordered the extermination of the Canaanites, the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites -- which was actually the SECOND big extermination. The first big extermination was when God supposedly caused a flood which rose to a height of 29,135 feet to exterminate every living thing on earth except for Noah, his family, and the Ark. The Flood, however, is physically impossible: for the atmosphere to contain that amount of precipitable water, the atmospheric pressure would increase to over 13,000 pounds per square inch -- effectively crushing every living thing on the planet. Moreover, using the "canopy" model described in Genesis, if a canopy holding the equivalent of more than 40 feet of water were part of the atmosphere (and the water allegedly rose to a height of 29,135 feet above mean sea level), it would raise the atmospheric pressure accordingly, raising oxygen and nitrogen levels to toxic levels. • If the canopy began as vapor, any water from it would be superheated from the intense atmospheric pressure. This scenario essentially starts with most of the Flood waters boiled off. Noah and company would be poached. If the water began as ice in orbit, the gravitational potential energy would likewise raise the temperature past boiling. • A canopy of any significant thickness would have blocked a great deal of light, lowering the temperature of the earth greatly before the Flood. • Any water above the ozone layer would not be shielded from ultraviolet light, and the light would break apart the water molecules. Assuming that the atmosphere had enough precipitable water to cause a flood which rose to the depth of 29,135 AND that all of life hadn't been crushed because of the intense atmospheric pressure AND that nitrogen and oxygen levels hadn't risen to toxic levels before the flood -- for the water to rise 29,135 feet in 40 days, rainfall across the entire planet would be on the order of six inches *per minute*, or 30 feet of rain *per hour* and the force of that much rainfall would have destroyed any dwelling or any boat it hit. Moreover, had the water somehow reached the height of 29,135 feet, adabiatic cooling would have taken place which would have resulted in the top two miles (or so) of water becoming ice. And by the way -- I'm Christian. I just don't happen to believe the Genesis stories were ever intended to be read literally; and when they ARE read literally, the stories become absurd (and we miss the complete point of the story).
- Lost ProphecyLv 710 years ago
I wouldn't call the battles that the Israelite waged against the pagans genocide. The land of Cana originally belonged to Abraham, Issac, Jacob and his twelve sons. So in fact the pagans that made Cana their home were trespassing on Israelite property which was given to them by God.
And what did the Israelites do when they left Egypt they offered terms to the pagans living on their land. And if they refused to live amongst them peacefully they were asked to leave their land, and if they refused to leave then the Israelites resorted to war.
As fare as rape was concerned God did not tolerate any form of violence towards others within His own chosen people, this would include murder, rape, theft, fraud and adultery (That is why He gave them His Ten Commandments).
Now slavery according to the Israelites was different from the slavery that we understand it today. For starters their form of slavery was more like indentured servitude, the individual that wished to become someone's slave would do so under their own consent. Then until the term of the contract that was made the slave had the option to remain under the service of their master. Not to mention that if a slave was abused in any form the master would be held accountable and would be punished according to the Law.
- djmantxLv 710 years ago
The ten commandments and all of the law of Moses condems to death murderers and rapist.
Your argument is from your own lack of understanding.
The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.
God is the righteous and eternal spirit and you are sinful, finite, flesh and blood...when you realize your need you will find God has provided the answer.
The surest way to remain an atheist is not to realize your need for God.
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- craig bLv 710 years ago
No where in the NT.
But in the OT, God is the God of JUDGMENT!
God declares His righteousness to the nations and when those people (nations) do not abide in the law, they are judged for they iniquity! Sometimes they are given another chance, but not usually!
Whatever happens in Sodom, stays in Sodom.
- 10 years ago
There are genocides but that was specifically the people he was commanding not for us.
He doesn't condone slavery but he does want those who have slaves already to be nice to their slaves and owners to be nice to their slaves.
it is also said that slaves should try to get their freedom.
No way does he condone rape ANYWHERE in the Bible.
- 10 years ago
God never condones, commands, or commits rape or genocide in the Bible.
There are stories in the Old Testament about Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers, and then Joseph ends up a rich man Egypt, but it doesn't say God condoned slavery.
- 10 years ago
In Deuteronomy, god not only condones raping virgins, but also requires that rape victims be stoned to death!
"When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."
"Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house."
"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."
- 10 years ago
Yes. And your point is? He can do with the clay whatever he wants. I love it.
- MoiLv 710 years ago
The key word being "condone" and in the concept of man acting solely on his own without God's direction - no.