請問英文文法高手，有關名詞後接的詞性

Question

例句：Have a minimal grasp of the message conveyed 請問 1.conveyed在這裡是什麼詞性?是修飾a minimal grasp of the message 還是 the message? 2.能解釋這是哪一種的用法嗎?是子句還是那一種? 3.能換成conveyed messsage嗎?意思一樣嗎? 4.整句的意思是? 例句：He doesn't like taking a train full of people. 請問 1.請問full of people 是形容詞片語嗎?省略which is? 2.若改成 He...

Answer 1

例句：Have a minimal grasp of the message conveyed

請問
1.conveyed在這裡是什麼詞性?是修飾a minimal grasp of the message 還是the message?
conveyed是具被動語意的分詞當形容詞用, 修飾the message.

2.能解釋這是哪一種的用法嗎?是子句還是那一種?
conveyed在這裡是「後位修飾」的形容詞用法, 不是子句.

3.能換成conveyed message嗎?意思一樣嗎?
以本句來說的, conveyed放在message前面或後面意思完全一樣. 但是後位修飾有個好處, 可以後接與conveyed有關的修飾語, 例如: conveyed by xxx(傳送者)、conveyed from xxx(來源)、conveyed 5 minutes ago(時間)、conveyed through the Internet(方式)、.......等等.
不過不是所有的後位修飾語都可移到前面的, 有些可能產生意思的改變, 例如:
He gets a bicycle repaired. 他把一輛自行出修理好了.
He gets a repaired bicycle. 它得到一輛修好了的自行車.

4.整句的意思是?
Have a minimal grasp of the message conveyed.
對(已)傳送的訊息做個最起碼的理解吧!


例句：He doesn't like taking a train full of people.

1.請問full of people 是形容詞片語嗎?省略which is?
完全正確, full of people 是形容詞片語, 前面省略了which is.

2.若改成 He doesn't like taking a full of pople train.意思一樣嗎?
可以, 不過二個以上的單字要合起來當形容詞用時, 要加連字號(hyphen):
He doesn't like taking a full-of-pople train.

2010-03-29 13:09:33 補充：
抱歉打錯字:
他把一輛自行"車"修理好了.
"他"得到一輛修好了的自行車.

2010-03-29 13:13:28 補充：
第一句的意思應不是「讓消息透露一點出來吧！」
grasp不是透露, 而是理解或掌握.

2010-03-29 13:15:22 補充：
full-of-people, 上面少打了一個e.

2010-03-29 14:06:20 補充：
回答者001, 打字辛苦了, 不過我很抱歉要指出除了第二題的第1小題(發問者自己答對)以外, 其他恐怕都有錯誤.

2010-03-30 11:34:55 補充：
A listener will have a minimal grasp of the message conveyed.
聽者會對(已)傳送的訊息有最起碼的理解.

2010-03-30 11:37:39 補充：
Thanks for backing up, Kevin.

Answer 2

Long time no see! ^_^
(You are the Rodin I know, right?)

It's an interesting discussion you guys are having here.
I have to say that No. 3 has had the sentence more correctly translated.

2010-03-29 22:57:48 補充：
The point here is the word "grasp" is not related to "amount" but to "comprehension." So we can say,
I learned a minimal amount of knowledge,
but not,
I learned a minimal grasp of knowledge.

2010-03-29 22:59:01 補充：
That's why you can't have any examples searching the Internet with "convey a minimal grasp of."

2010-03-29 22:59:09 補充：
Therefore, it makes no difference here to put the adjective "conveyed" before or after "message," since it serves as a pure adjective, rather than an objective complement.

2010-03-30 13:31:05 補充：
版主您好:
您問的這句, 就是Louis及Rodin兩位所說的"使役動詞"的用法, 位置不能對調, 因為是補充說明sentence, 所以[more correctly translated]不可以放sentence前面.

2010-03-30 13:36:45 補充：
To 無極,
Well, what's right is right. I'm just stating the truth. ^-^

Answer 3

例句：Have a minimal grasp of the message conveyed

請問
1.conveyed在這裡是什麼詞性?是修飾a minimal grasp of the message 還是
the message?
[說明]conveyed是過去分詞當［受詞補語］，屬形容詞性質。

2.能解釋這是哪一種的用法嗎?是子句還是那一種?
［說明］have是當及物動詞用，grasp是其受詞。這句是祈使句。
Have當及物動詞，意思是to cause something to happen or someone to do something.

3.能換成conveyed messsage嗎?意思一樣嗎?
[說明］受詞補語變成了修飾語，意思會不一樣。
如：He found his wallet lost.他發現他的錢包不見了。
He found his lost wallet.他找到他丟掉的錢包了。

4.整句的意思是?
［說明］讓消息透露一點出來吧！

例句：He doesn't like taking a train full of people.

請問
1.請問full of people 是形容詞片語嗎?省略which is?
［說明］是形容詞片語，也可以加上which is改寫成容詞子句。

2.若改成 He doesn't like taking a full of pople train.意思一樣嗎?
[說明］不可以將長的形容詞片語或子句放在其修飾的名詞之前，這不合英文語法。只有...

2010-03-30 19:22:33 補充：
對不起,
我把例句裡的have誤當成使役動詞,
我的翻譯因此錯了.

Answer 4

... of the message conveyed中conveyed是過去分詞，表被動，前面有個使役動詞have，...
你也可說 Make a minimal grasp of the message conveyed.
若不用被動型式，此句就是Convey a nimal grasp of the message.
... the conveyed message中conveyed是分詞作形容詞。意思是:得知這訊息中的一些吧(此...

full of people 是形容詞片語，必須做後位修飾。

2010-03-29 18:09:14 補充：
小弟一點意見:
2號答的很好
3號答對一半，第三點的解釋很好但跟這句子關係不大，第四點的翻譯有問題

2010-03-29 18:13:29 補充：
建議3號答者想想這個句型:
Have your car fixed.
2號答者翻譯為讓消息透露一點出來...透露乃是conveyed此字，並非從gr...

2010-03-30 03:20:34 補充：
Hi Kevin,
You are right! ^^

在此公開道歉，經Kevin大師指點，並且確認過字典後，小弟犯錯囉!
此句子因為grasp的關係，所以無法用使役動詞的角度來切入。所以3號答者是正確...

As for translation, you are really a master, Kevin. I should learn more from you! ^^

Answer 5

例句：Have a minimal grasp of the message conveyed

請問
1.conveyed在這裡是什麼詞性?是修飾a minimal grasp of the message 還是
the message?

conveyed在這句子中是動詞！只是因為Have的關係所以變成了現在完成式... minimal grasp of the message。這句子中的主詞並不是message喔！

2.能解釋這是哪一種的用法嗎?是子句還是那一種?

是的，這句子可以算是一種子句。因為它有主詞，和動詞。其實子句講簡單點就是一個...

3.能換成conveyed messsage嗎?意思一樣嗎?

這樣子意思就轉換了唷！因為這樣conveyed就變成形容詞了！變成是修飾me...

4.整句的意思是?

整句的意思就是：只有一點點有關於這訊息的資訊被傳達 （這樣句子簡單說就是＂有資訊被傳達＂）
若變成conveyed message，意思就是：只有一點點有關於傳達過來的訊息的資訊　（這樣句子意思簡...


例句：He doesn't like taking a train full of people.

請問
1.請問full of people 是形容詞片語嗎?省略which is?

是的，是形容詞片語。若加上which is的話就會變成：
He doesn't like taking a train ＂which is＂full of people.

2.若改成 He doesn't like taking a full of pople train.意思一樣嗎?

這樣就違反文法規則囉！就像第一題的解答說的一樣，which is 被省略掉了，所以句子才看起來是那樣子。形容詞片語跟形容詞不一樣，若是形容詞就可以...