Old-earth Creationists/Jehovah's Witnesses...why did it take God SO long to create everything?
Most believe that he spoke everything into existence. So why did it take millions or even billions of years for him to speak it into existence? Did he talk extremely slow, or did he say it fast and it took millions to billions of years for it to finally finish itself?
No matter how it was created, WHY did it take so long? Why would God create the heavens and the earth and then wait another thousand or million to billions of years to create the sky and waters and then another million or billion years to create land?
Now...the biggest question of all:
How were there waters and even vegetation? Since the sun wasn't created until the fourth "day" or "era" then how were there waters? Four million or billion years without the sun would leave the earth in an extremely cold and dark place. So cold in fact any "waters" would be ICE. Also, since the water would be ice, how would vegetation survive? Or how would they even be created or grow with ice and no sunlight? Vegetation would've had to wait another million or billion years for sunlight!
How could vegetation survive with no sunlight for a million or billion years and with water being ice?
"A day is like a thousand years...." This doesn't matter to the question at all. It's not about his perspective. You said it yourselves; there's proof that the earth and the universe is millions/billions years old. So it DID take a long time.
Now my question still remains about the vegetation. Who cares when or how the "luminaries" were made; even if they were covered by clouds of dust and then became observable, the fact is the vegetation was STILL without sunlight for several several years!
But if the light was being blocked by clouds of dust, why was it made and then blocked? Where does it say it was? And why did he need to make two more lights? Wouldn't the light he had created be good enough? In verse 14, the word "light" or "luminary" is plural. He made more than one--and it says one was lesser and the other greater. Two different lights.
The reason it's believed he spoke everything into existence is because--duh--"God said" and "it came to be"!
How could God have created the Sun and stars before the fourth day when he created "the heavens"? If they were created as part of "the heavens" then light wasn't created until after the sun and "stars"! How could they have been created before light when they ARE burning gases of light? Even though the Sun.. IS.. a star! The Bible makes it out to be that the sun and the stars are completely different. But the Bible says the sun and stars haven't "come to be" until verses 14-17.
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- PinkribbonLv 41 decade ago
The sun was not created on the fourth day. It says that God said "let there be light and there was light. As you have already been told, the earth, sun, moon and stars were created untold billions of years before God prepared the earth for humans. But if you read the Genesis account very carefully you will see that the earth was covered by a water canopy. No rain, no sunshine, no moonshine and no stars could shine and penetrate the water canopy. Again, we are not told when God proceeded to create life on the earth. Genesis 1:2 begins with "NOW" we do not know when that now was only that it means that the heavens and earth were already created. Each creative day was at least 7,000 years long. The account tells of each successive day or time period. Some of the days overlap other days. It is as if Moses was in heaven looking down on the creation of the earth It took a long time for the light from the sun, moon and stars to penetrate the cloud covering the earth. They already existed but did not snine through the cloud right away. The earth was like a hothouse. No rain but mist would rise up and water the plants and vegetation. We know that each creative time period was at least 7,000 years long because we are still in the seventh day today. The Bible never has said the seventh day ended. The waters for the flood came from the water canopy that covered the earth. After the water canopy was gone, the temperature on the earth drastically changed. As well as the heavens became very clear. As for why it took so long, only God can answer that.
- GuestLv 41 decade ago
Rule number one in research: Go to the original sources.
Hebrew and Arab texts are virtually the same insofar as ancient texts are concerned before 1500 BC.
Similarly all other civilisations relate very similar accounts .
However neither JWs or scientists were around to witness Creation first hand so ,as someone has said ,we can only learn the plot from the author.
As humans we have linguistic , semantic and scientific limitations which will not be resolved this side of revelation. So the Genesis accounts are open to interpretation in detail or in exegesis but basically it is clear that God is "outside of time" in the sense that we comprehend it. So millions of years is highly subjective depending on your definition of "a year", of the "speed of light", of gravitational distortion and so many other laws of the cosmos we unaware of.
Trouble is have only a very small amount of time and we are not expected to be overly scientific to believe or obey God. The Biblical accounts were not intended for 21st Century scientists to pore over. They were set out for every human being such that no one would have any excuse for denying Gods authority to do as he will.
Shall the pot say to the potter " Why have you made us thus"? Jeremiah.
So whatt would you call a day or a year or an epoch seeing that even we can see across galaxies which measure millions of Kilometers apart. Then ask yourself How long has it taken for the light from these extemities taken to reach your retina and how do you know if they are still there or whether they disappeared in a black hole even before man appeared on Earth?
The thing is you cannot resolve these questions even with the very top scientific experts because they themselves are capable only of very primitive intellectual achievement
- 1 decade ago
How could he "speak" something into existence if there wasn't any air?
God took just as long as he needed to create everything. No more, no less.
Why did evolution take so long to really get going? 3.5 billion years from nothing to microbes, and then only 500 million years from microbes to everything we see on the planet, according to the current thought on evolution.
God didn't create the sun on the fourth day, it was already created in Genesis 1:1, as part of "the heavens." Day four says that he "made," or "fashioned" the to sun appear, because before hand (if you read Genesis 1) you'll notice that the earth was completely covered, so that the sun and noon couldn't be seen. The sun cannot be sun from Venus for the same reason, yet there is no problems with ice there. Vegetation could grow because there was already light (which appeared the first day). (Just like Venus.) (Not that Venus has vegetation, but it has light despite the lack of a visible sun.)
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- a_measured_brushLv 51 decade ago
First, as to the question of time: it wasn't a long time at all to Jehovah, who has no beginning and has existed throughout eternity. Moses, the same person who wrote the Genesis account, also wrote about God's view of time:
(Psalm 90:4) 4 For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past, And as a watch during the night.
Secondly, the Bible does not say that "God spoke everything into existence". Let's take a look at what the Bible does say:
(Genesis 1:6-8) 6 And God went on to say: “Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.” 7 Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. 8 And God began to call the expanse Heaven. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a second day.
At the beginning of each creative time period God stated his purpose, or what he would accomplish, during that time. In the example of the second day, given here, he stated that he would make a separation between the liquid water covering the surface of the earth and the waters above the earth so that an atmosphere was formed. After he stated what he would do he then proceeded to work to accomplish his stated purpose. It was then that it "came to be so". If, on the other hand "God spoke everything into existence" the account would read more this:
""6 And God went on to say: “Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.” And it came to be so. 8 And God began to call the expanse Heaven. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a second day."
There would be no need for most of verse seven. It was the result of God's work, not just him pronouncing the words, that creation came about, as stated here:
(Psalm 8:3) 3 When I see your heavens, the works of your fingers, The moon and the stars that you have prepared,
It doesn't say "the result of your word", but rather "the works of your fingers". It is stated similarly here:
(Psalm 102:25) Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth itself, And the heavens are the work of your hands.
Also I would like to point out that "evening and morning" do not make up 24 hours. The terms are symbolic, with evening being ignorance, and morning being a state of enlightenment. That is from the viewpoint of the angels who were observers. At the beginning of each creative epoch they did not know what their God would do until he stated what he would do, and then as they watched him fulfill his word then were enlightened and it became "morning " for them.
Thirdly, it was not on the fourth day that the sun, moon, and stars were created. All of these were created as stated in Genesis 1:1, "in the beginning". However, as stated in verse two, the earth was in darkness, being "formless", and this description fits the situation of a planet covered by a dense cloud of dust and water vapor that would not allow light to reach the surface. That is why on the first day beginning with verse three God stated "Let life come to be" . In that creative epoch God thinned out the cloud enough so that light could now reach the surface, and the dust continued to settle so that by day three there was enough light to support plant life, and by the fourth day an observer from the earth would have been able to see the sources of the light: the sun, moon, and stars. That is why "the luminaries" is used here, A luminary is a light source:
(Genesis 1:14) 14 And God went on to say: “Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years.
And that is why the word "create" does not appear here, but instead it says "made", which would be from the viewpoint of an observer on earth, if there had been one:
(Genesis 1:16) 16 And God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and also the stars.
- grnlowLv 71 decade ago
First, he went by the physical laws he created. For instance, Gen. 1:1 says he created the heavens and the physical universe already in existence BEFORE the Creative Days on earth began. Those Creative Days were for creating life on this planet. The solar system and earth's place in it were already in place. From earth's perspective, it was dark.
Both science and the Bible shows there were clouds and debris above earth. One of the first things was a separation of waters. 2 Peter 3:5 describes a water canopy above the earth to function as insulation. It never rained before the Flood as Gen. 2:5-6 explains. This is also where the Flood waters came from.
The earth is no different from the rest of the bodies in the universe. It took much time for them to cool from hot plasma. This happened before any creation of life--plant or otherwise.
When it did begin, the earth was already heated by the star it orbited, called Sol today. From an earth view, it could not be seen. By the fourth day it could be seen.
All things took place in an orderly fashion just as 1 Corinthians 14:40 says about Jehovah, "Let all things take place descently and by arrangement."
First land separated from water to allow things to grow in both locations. Second plant life for food and filter the air. Sea life followed by land animal life.and whatever flew needed dry land to land on somewhere. Lastly man to be a caretaker to it all. This shows an orderly arrangement. Science agrees with the order of things. Something that man at the time of Moses would have no first hand knowledge of.
- TyshawnaLv 44 years ago
The only proof you will ever get is the proof you go and decide to find, not from the christians spouting their "knowledge" of God. First off, I believe it is important to release what we consider God and start looking at this thing from a base understanding. We are vibrational beings. All of our being (sight, hearing, thought, emotion) are all vibrations. In general we have been raised in a society where our vibrations are very limiting. People have been telling us all along, life is a difficult place, money doesn't grow on trees, etc etc. These cultural misunderstandings have lead us to the place where we currently are. When we shed this current understandings and begin to focus on the vibrational frequencies we would like to experience, our life will begin to manifest in a different light. As well once we realize this, we begin to see that people only get what they throw into the universe. Aethists confirm their non-belief of a God. Christians get more and more evidence that they believe in christianity. it is so simple yet we ignore all the signs around us. Personally what I believe in is that our vibrations create our reality. There are studies that have been done that measure the frequencies of people in two different states (love and fear). Love is a much higher frequency and fear is a much lower frequency. They done studies that show when we are in love, this frequency touches more receptor sites on our DNA, giving us a more full existence. And we wonder why some people are so dull (well beyond the whole US being on prescrip meds right now). Honestly, believe me or not, at the end of the day do your own proding and find what works for you, because what ever definition of God you make, it will be exactly that which you receive. *edit* All religions have two bases for which they are formed. First, the human mind is flawed. Christianity calls it sin, buddhism calls it duhka, hinduism calls it maya. Second, there is a way to reach enlightenment and move passed this human flaw. Through years and years of egoic manipulation, certain religions have become more and more unclear, making it difficult to reach enlightenment (which is also reached when we pass this physical plan). This change has resulted in the manifestation of ego in religion, making people worry more about their religion being right than everyone getting it. I think when we reach a vibrational frequency that is in alignment with Source that we are able to live our life and not have god make our choices for us, but to be making our choices with us, guiding us in the direction of least resistance and maximum fruition. When we allow ourselves to fully become aware of this frequency things before not possible are now very possible.
- Nevada SmithLv 71 decade ago
Is there some reason that God should be in a hurry?
Of how little value the earth and universe would be if God simply spoke them into existence with no effort on his part. No rather he designed everything to be pretty or good and made sure that it was perfect. In fact it could be said that he made sacrifices for indeed our planet at one time was a different world. It was a prehistoric world of dinosaurs which were also created by Jehovah. He either destroyed these creatures himself or allowed them to be destroyed so that this planet which was designed to support life could be made into a new world as a home for mankind. Truly the creation of man, created in God's own image and able to reflect his qualities, was a cause for rejoicing. All creation brings or reflects glory to God but only man has the ability to consciously give him credit, love, and obedience.
How fitting that he took time to prepare our home for us. Just consider how we are designed with the ability to taste different tastes and to smell different smells and to see all the colors. He did not have to give us these abilities but it is evidence of his love for us and reflects on what a wonderful designer he is. I doubt that blind evolution would have been so gracious if it were possible, which by the way it is not. If you took just one simple act of evolution and the odds of that evolutionary event taking place and then you multiplied that times all the things that had to happen to all the creatures and plants in existence not to mention the inanimate things, the age of the earth [4.6 billion years] would not accommodate all those events by evolutionary processes.
Consider Eccl. 3:10-13
"I have seen the occupation that God has given to the sons of mankind in which to be occupied. Everything he has made pretty in its time. Even time indefinite he has put in their heart, that mankind may never find out the work that the [true] God has made from the start to the finish. I have come to know that there is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good during one’s life; and also that every man should eat and indeed drink and see good for all his hard work. It is the gift of God."
- fixerkenLv 71 decade ago
Better yet, how did life come from nothing, if you believe in the big bang, what's the odds of male and female of every species to just happen? If you believe in evolution, the same question.
Better yet, how do you account for Bible prophecy written some 2000-to-4000 years ago being fulfilled today. Just one, Daniel's prophecy of a beast that is, then is not, and then is again, but goes off to destruction. With this prophecy the beast was, and then it was not, and then it is again and right now we are in this time period, we are waiting for it's destruction. You with your criticism have no clue as to what I'm talking about, just as you have no clue as to how the creation was accomplished, I on the other hand know, rather than belittle, I've researched, studied, and found my answers.
There were 7 creative days, each creative day was 7000 years long, just because Bible writers didn't place things according to your way of reference, doesn't prove it didn't happen. I've read in Gen that God created man and woman, then latter on it tells how woman was created. Did you know that the Bible books are not in the proper order as to when they were written? Did you know there were other writings of that time that didn't make it into the Bible as you know it?
You need to stick to a category of which you have knowledge, for all that have studied & researched, this is few in number, for the majority of the christian faiths don't have it right, they were written about at 2 Tim 4:2. If you want what the Bible teaches, than you need to as a Jehovah's Witness, they know the Bible!
- MythBusterLv 61 decade ago
The sun was created but it wasnt observable from earth. I read recently that it may have been because of the debris from the big bang but dont quote me on this
There was diffused light on day 1 but after the 4th day the luminaries became obvious.
As for the duration of creation...God created the laws of the universe and nature and he stuck by these laws...he isnt a magic genie! And you know what they say? it takes time to make something good.........................
- 'maters GrannyLv 71 decade ago
Speaking and creating are two different things. One is effortless and the other takes great effort. Rome wasn't built in day so it stands to reason that the entire earth would take a lot longer. I am not a scientist, physicist, chemist or anything else that would be required to have knowledge of this subject. I do have faith and know that my God is smarter than any of us. Our thoughts and ways are definitely not his. He has the ability to raise the dead, cure all illness and create the most beautiful things I have ever seen, along with create and give life. Somethings should just be appreciated and not questioned. Faith is a great thing to have.Source(s): One of Jehovah's Witnesses