Are Israel and Palestine in the same country?
I was wondering if Israel and Palestine were in the same country and if they are could you give me some differences about their historical claims to the land? Please and Thank you!!!
- ✡mama pajama✡Lv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
The geographical region of British Mandate Palestine was a territory encompassing several ancient countries and many nation peoples. France had a part of ruling in a few portions of Palestine prior to 1944 as well.
78% of British Mandate Palestine became Jordan and another portion became Syria in the 40's just prior to Israel declaring it's independence in 1948. Of the remaining land, a significant amount of that tiny area of Israel had been purchased over the past 150 years by the combined efforts of Jews all over the world!! More than half of the land that became the State of Israel in 1948 had legal deeds by the time of Statehood. Many who want to obliterate Israel want to claim that Jordan isn't the "land" of Palestine when figuring land mass percentage, yet when stating the number of people who have the "right" to call themselves Palestinians and who were called Palestinians before 1948, they have no qualms of using people who lived in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in British Mandate Palestine to represent the numbers of Palestinians.
The designation of Palestinian refugee according to the UN can be conferred on anyone who lived in the disupted territories for only two years! What other refugee group has such designation?
The Palestinian people have BECOME a unified people since the 1960's and as such DESERVE a homeland in peace for their children, however it cannot displace the state of Israel. I pray for the day when their passion and desire to be a unified people is focused on nation BUILDING rather than neighboring nation destruction.
I own several books on Judaism, about Jews and containing Jewish history and stories ( two are children's books) that belonged to my maternal Grandmother that were printed in the years 1918-1942 in British Mandate Palestine. In every one of those books, the Jews are referred to as Palestinians and the Arab Muslims are referred to primarily as "Bedouin"or preferrably to THEM, by their CLAN OR TRIBAL NAME such as, Quraish tribe. They often did not want to be identified as even being connected to other tribes. Some of the tribal names, they often referred to as their "nation" included Hayawat, Tayaha,,Azazma,Jahalin, Tarabeen and the Ijbara. Druze and Dom or Samaritan were also referred to by specific tribal or ethnic name. My father and my uncle, living in two different states, became friends with individual Arabs from those regions, one of whom was from one of what they called the notable, or a’yan, social class (family name withheld because he still has family there )of who both told them that for an Arab to be called a Palestinian when they were growing up, was considered an INSULT if they were one of the "Jew haters" since they recognized that the world at large equated Palestinian to Jew. Thankfully, then as now, not all non-Jewish Arabs living in the area are antisemitic.
It was actually a shock to them when Arab nationalism claimed the title of Palestinian for their collective name of the Syrian, Trans-Jordanian ( ruled by the Hashemites of the Quraish tribe), Egyptian and Lebanese Arabs living in neighboring Palestinian territories.
Most of the world referred to the Jews alone as the Palestinians...for centuries in fact. When Immanuel Kant, the well known philosopher wrote of the Palestinians, he was speaking of the Jews alone He lived from 22 April 1724 – 12 February 1804
Often, when European writers were referring to the Jews as Palestinians, they were doing so in order to claim that the Jews living in Europe were FOREIGNERS and should RETURN to their homeland of Palestine!
Rather than call for the destruction of its neighbors as the PLO and Hamas Charters declare in no uncertain terms for Israel, read what Israel put RIGHT IN its Declaration of Independence: “WE EXTEND our hand to all neighboring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighborliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.”
.The Palestinian nation (PLO) people who formed in the years after the state of Israel was established at the organizing of Gamal Abdul Nasser and Yasser Arafat and other Egyptian nationalists, have the right to their own nation, but not at the expense of another established nation. A state called Palestine COULD have existed already for 60 years if the surrounding Arab/Muslim nations had followed the example of Israel in establishing through legal means, a state that was in accordance with UN Charter rights. Instead, they chose to declare war on Israel and make permanent refugees of millions of their own who have now gone into a fourth and fifth generation of people who are nothing more than their political pawns to be used to justify elimination of Israel. Every time Jews in Israel and throughout the world have tried to help the Palestinians with establishing their own nation, it is met with attacks, assaults and escalation of rhetoric that it should not exist and then false claims that Israel is working to destroy them!
So, if Israel is trying to kill them all, how is it that their population has increased fourfold in 60 years?
The time is long overdue for the 22 surrounding Muslim nations to help their brethren stop being political pawns and aide them to become a self governing people in peace alongside Israel.
I believe in the Declaration of Human Rights that gives every nation people the legitimate right to establish self-governance and self-determination.
The State of Israel is a legitimate country. It exists as legitimately as the United States of America or any other UN member nation. The Jewish people had been working to reestablish sovereignty in the homeland centuries before the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America had been proclaimed against Britain. The hard-earned efforts of Israel to gain statehood stand as an honorable example, if people would study it, rather than the often so bizarre it borders on insane propaganda spread about it. The facts invalidate the charges by extremist voices who would attempt to negate the right of the nation people, Israel to exist in the home LAND of Israel.
edit: Please note that the percentages of population given by Hatem as I said is often done in willful propagandizing to delegitimize Israel, includes JORDAN, the lion's share of Britsh Mandate Palestine that Jews never sought to create as a Jewish state, and thus gives a false sense that the Jews were not a majority in Israel. If you don't want to call the current country of Jordan..the Palestinan homeland..you really need to note that the population figures used prior to 1947 ALL included Jordan which was and remains Muslim and Arab. His percentages for land ownership likewise include Jordan. Apparently Hatem MUST consider JORDAN As Palestine, but omits this outright amid false projections of "ethnic cleansing" . And unlike Israel whose laws protect religious freedom and has Muslims on the Knesset, Jordan has laws of citizenship that forbid Jews to own land become citizens or even display religous objects.
It is absurd in the EXTREME to use the POPULATION AND LAND OWNERSHIP STATISTICS FOR ALL OF BRITISH MANDATE PALESTINE ( that included Syria and Jordan) and then claim that Israel was formed from 80% of Palestine!
Look at a MAP. Jordan and Syria make Israel look like a DWARF.Source(s): http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/isr... http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/Art... http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq_palestine_un_...
- Warren SLv 71 decade ago
The British mandated territory known as Palestine was divided between Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs by the UN in 1947. The Jewish area became the State of Israel. The Palestinian Arabs did not want to accept Israel as their neighbor and tried to exterminate the country and its people. Israel survived.
Today, Israel is an existing country within the 1949 armistice lines and other international borders with Egypt and Jordan. Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza are still in dispute although Gaza is controlled by Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist group while the Palestinian authority controls much of the West Bank in conjunction with Israel.Source(s): I teach History and Geography
- Anonymous6 years ago
Palestine is pronounced very much like Philistine! Palestine was never an independent country or free state! PalestineArab country is an unincorporated country, that the Arab Empire invaders, conquerors, settlers, colonizers and their great grand sons of great grand sons, now claim as their home country! PalestineArab country is also a subjectively, malleable term, that is especially officially, now the centre of JudaeanHebrew country! It is Judaea and Samaria! It is the Judaean Mountains,Judaean Lowlands, Judaean Wilderness, Judaean Desert and the Mt.Zion environs! PalestineArab country, could still be an alternative kind of Laissez Faire liberal (libertarian) conservatory! It could be a kind of minimum state interference, in civil social dynamic, refuge from excessive big gov. state centralized, control! Civil social and social economics of PalestineArab hospitality to JudaeanHebrew ethnic biblical archaeology could be a tourism,and general investment! It could be an escape from state domination of economics! That could be a great social boom of mutual symbiosis for PalestineArabs and JudaeanHebrews!
- Mike1942fLv 71 decade ago
If you look at history, you will find that Palestine is the older area with variable boundaries. When the British promised various homelands during and after WWI the area was divided between Israel and Jordan.
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- Kevin7Lv 71 decade ago
that is complex issue,Palestine is a general name for the Holy land, the Roman name for Israel and Israel is a nation
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Israel (Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵל, Yisra'el; Arabic: إِسْرَائِيلُ, Isrā'īl) officially the State of Israel (Hebrew: מְדִינַת יִשְׂרָאֵל (help·info), Medinat Yisra'el; Arabic: دَوْلَةُ إِسْرَائِيلَ, Dawlat Isrā'īl), is a developed country in Western Asia located on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea.
It borders Lebanon in the north, Syria in the northeast, Jordan in the east, and Egypt on the southwest, and contains geographically diverse features within its relatively small area. Also adjacent are the West Bank to the east and Gaza Strip to the southwest. Israel is the world's only predominantly Jewish state with a population of about 7.5 million people, of whom approximately 5.62 million are Jewish.
The largest ethnic minority group is the segment denominated as Arab citizens of Israel, while minority religious groups include Muslims, Christians, Druze, Samaritans and others, most of which are found within the Arab segment.
The modern state of Israel has its historical and religious roots in the Biblical Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism since ancient times, and the heartland of the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Following the birth of political Zionism in 1897 and the Balfour Declaration, the League of Nations granted the United Kingdom the British Mandate of Palestine after World War I, with responsibility for establishing "...such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion..." In November 1947 the United Nations decided on partition of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a UN-administered Jerusalem. Partition was accepted by Zionist leaders but rejected by Arab leaders leading to the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948 and neighboring Arab states attacked the next day. Since then, Israel has fought a series of wars with neighboring Arab states, and in consequence, Israel controls territories beyond those delineated in the 1949 Armistice Agreements. Some international borders remain in dispute, however Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, though efforts to resolve conflict with the Palestinians have so far only met with limited success.
Israel is a representative democracy with a parliamentary system and universal suffrage. The Prime Minister serves as head of government and the Knesset serves as Israel's legislative body. The economy, based on the nominal gross domestic product, is the 44th-largest in the world. Israel ranks highest among Middle Eastern countries on the UN Human Development Index. Jerusalem is the country's capital, seat of government, and largest city, while Israel's main financial center is Tel Aviv.
Palestine (Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל, Ereẓ Yisra'el; formerly also פלשׂתינה, Palestina; Arabic: فلسطين Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn) is a conventional name used, among others, to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and various adjoining lands.
As a geographical term, Palestine can also refer to 'ancient Palestine,' an area that includes contemporary Israel and the Palestinian territories, as well as part of Jordan, and some of both Lebanon and Syria. In classical or contemporary terms, it can refer to the area within the boundaries of what was once British Mandate Palestine (1920–1948), an area which included Transjordan. The term Land of Israel is used to refer to the same geographic region, both narrowly or broadly defined, by Israelis, Jews, and Christian Zionists, among others. Other terms for the same area include Canaan, and the Holy Land.
THE STATE OF PALESTINE
The State of Palestine (Arabic: دولة فلسطين, dawlat filastin), officially simply Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين, filastin), is a political entity that enjoys limited recognition as a state in Palestine. A Palestinian Declaration of Independence was made by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) on November 15, 1988 in a meeting of the Palestine National Council (PNC) in Algiers. The declaration designated Jerusalem as the capital of the state.
About 100 countries have recognized the State of Palestine, which is represented as a non-member observer entity at the United Nations by the PLO under the name 'Palestine'. The Palestinian National Authority (PNA or PA) is an interim administrative body that exercises some governmental functions in parts of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Created by the Oslo Accords signed between Israel and the PLO, the PA is not a synonym for the government of Palestine, though it is associated with it. The current President of Palestine is MahmoudSource(s): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine
- Anonymous1 decade ago
They are both located on the land of historical Palestine, so in a way they are both in the same country. The fruitless negotiations that have been going on for the last 16 years, revolve around splitting the land to two states, where the Palestinians get the West Bank and Gaza Strip and Israel gets the rest (1967 borders). Besides Israel's refusal to going back to the 1967 borders, they are disagreeing on a host of other issues. My personal opinion is that both should be the same country and both should have equal right within that country. That proposal also does not fly with most of the Israelis.
Here is a brief and factual history of the conflict for more background:
The seed of this conflict was planted in 1882 when the Zionist movement started with a group of secular (non-religious) European Jews to establish a homeland for the Jews in Palestine. Up to the 1920's, Jews lived in peace with Muslims and Christians in Palestine for about 1300 years (except when the European Crusaders killed all the Jews and Muslims in Jerusalem 900 years ago). Most of the Jews who lived in Palestine till then were Arabs.
When Britain occupied Palestine during World War 1, it gave a declaration (Balfour Declaration 1917) to the Zionist Federation that Britain will facilitate establishing a national home for the Jews in Palestine. There was one big problem however: the land already was populated by native Arabs (Mostly Muslim, but with significant Christian 7% and Jewish minorities 9%).
Britain opened the door to Jewish immigration from Europe, which increased in the 1930's and 1940's because of Nazism and the Holocaust. In 1948 the Jews made up 33% of the population of Palestine, but owned only 7% of the land. The UN voted to split Palestine 55% for the Jews and 45% for the Palestinians to establish a Jewish and Arab States in Palestine, and to make Jerusalem an international area. War broke out between the Arabs and Jews in 1948 and the Jews occupied 80% of Palestine and established Israel on it. In the process Israel ethnically cleansed (forcibly removed) 80% of the Palestinians from the land they occupied and destroyed and depopulated more than 400 Palestinian villages, massacred thousands of Palestinians and made 0.75 million Palestinians refugees.
The UN voted in 1948 (Security Council Resolutions 93 and General Assembly Res. 194) to tell Israel to allow the Palestinian refugees to return to their homes, but until today Israel never complied. In 1967 Israel militarily occupied the remainder of Palestine (The West Bank and the Gaza Strip). The Security Council again voted in 1967 and 1973 that Israel return to the 1967 borders and allow the refugees to return, but Israel never complied (Security Council Res. 237, 242, 338).
This gives you a brief history of the roots of the problem. The Palestinians now negotiate to get only the lands occupied in 1967 back to establish their own state on it, and for Israel to allow the deposed people in 1948 and 1967 to return to their original homes.
Israel is only accepting to return only parts of the lands occupied in 1967. The land they accept to return has no borders with the outside world (making it an effective jail guarded by the Israelis). They also refuse to allow the refugees to return. They also have built many illegal settlements in the West Bank and planted nearly 500,000 Israeli extremists in them. Israel has taken control of nearly 5/6 of the water resources in the West Bank, and has built an apartheid wall that dwarfs the Berlin wall around and through Palestinian cities and villages in the West Bank ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyO2F3HD47A
). They also refuse to return East Jerusalem, which is part of the West Bank, to the Palestinians.
Again this is a very brief background. It in no way describes the daily suffering, abuse, humiliation, terror and deprivation of basic human rights the Israelis inflict on the Palestinians.
You can get more information from Wikipedia in the link below:
If you prefer documentaries, the following two documentaries are the best you can find on the subject:
1) Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land (79 minutes)
2) Occupation 101 (88 minutes)
This recent one from CBS 60 Minutes program (Jan 2009) is also a good one (13 minutes)
Mama Pajama attempts to imply that I intentionally omitted facts in my answer, and tries to insert information as corrections to my answer. I would like to stress that the land and population numbers quoted in my answer are 100% about Palestine/Israel and does not include Jordan in it. These numbers are easily verifiable. As for population, see this link from a Jewish site often quoted by pro-Israelis showing that Jews definitely made up only 9% of the population in 1918 and 30% in 1946.
Information listed in Wikipedia about Palestine British Mandate confirm the same. All the districts mentioned in the link below are in Palestine/Israel, and none in Jordan. All the people listed in the link below were People living in Palestine/Israel and not in Jordan.
- Anonymous5 years ago
hard to answer , we should all pray for the peace of that area.
- 1 decade ago
different countries different faiths