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mma, kokondo and jukido?
why dont any mma fighters train in kokondo karate or jukido jujitsu?
along with the normal muay thai and bjj or boxing and wrestling training, either of these 2 forms of martial arts seem like they could make an excellent addition to an mma fighter skill set
i am 18 i train in muay thai and bjj. i want to add a third martial art to my agenda. do u advised either kokondo karate, jukido jujitsu or shotokan karate?
please try to answer each question without the cliche answer. thanks :)
- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
There are a few primary reasons that MMA Fighters do not utilize either of the Kokondo arts (Jukido Jujitsu & Kokondo Karate).
First and foremost, the martial arts of Kokondo do not focus on the application of martial arts techniques for sport (MMA, Point Karate, Judo, etc.), but rather focus on the application of these arts for realistic self-defense for civilians. As such, the focus of the training deals much more with the prospects of dealing with a gun disarm, a surprise attack in a parking lot, child abduction, or a rape situation. There are forms of freestyle practice (randori - as found in Kodokan Judo) and Jiyu-Kumite (as found in many karate systems - Kokondo Karate's history is tied to a very hard style, Kyokushin Karate) found in Kokondo - but it is always, ultimately, directed toward application in self-defense and not competitive sparring.
That isn't to say that the training of an MMA Figher or a Kokondo student is better or worse, it is simply different. A Navy Seal or Marine would likely do better in the streets of Iraq then a champion MMA Fighter. The MMA Fighter would do a lot better in an MMA bout then that very same Navy Seal or Marine. This is not a reflection of "how good" their training is, but rather what their training specifically prepares them to do. The same could be said for a Boxer in an MMA match or a MMA fighter in a boxing match - it is relative to their experience and the "environment" they are engaging in.
Secondly, although the arts of Jukido Jujitsu and Kokondo Karate are practiced internationally - when compared to other styles, it is relatively small in scale. Coupled with several other reasons, this definitely makes it a lot less likely to see a student of this art competing. Arts like Judo and Karate, which are the BY FAR the largest arts in the world (in terms of the number of people who pratice), have VERY few individuals who compete in MMA - one could probably count the number of well-known/accomplished Judo players in MMA on one hand. As such, having a much art with much fewer members (when compared to the giant of Judo) is unlikely.
Lastly, although the term "mixed" martial arts originally referred to the idea of various styles "mixing it up" in this type of competition (judo vs. karate, boxing vs. taekwondo, etc.), today that really isn't the case. In that sense, the name is almost a misnomer. Today the typical MMA figther practices in a base of wrestling, muay thai, brazilian jiu-jitsu, and boxing - and then practice applying it towards the unifed rules of MMA. There are some who deviate from that, but as a general rule - that is what MMA "is." Although there are some exceptions, the overwhelming majority are now training in "MMA" itself as opposed to something else and then trying to compete with it in an MMA match. This is the natural progression. If you want to prepare for Judo competition, you don't go to an MMA gym - you go to a Judo dojo. If you want to train and compete in MMA, it would be unwise to train in Judo under the rules of the Olympic Judo Committee. Two different sports, which prepare you for different rules and environments. This goes back to the first point - most who want to compete will seek out a style conducive to this. If one wants to learn self-defense as the number one priority, they will seek out an appropriate system - be it Kokondo, Krav Maga, etc.
Lastly, as a previous poster mentioned - because the arts of Jujitsu (and its off-shoots, Judo and Brazlian Jiu-Jitsu) and Karate are to some extent involved in MMA, techniques found in Kokondo are also seen in MMA (from throws, to ground work, to striking techniques) - the difference is in application, not in the individual technique itself. A hip throw may be utilized by someone who doesn't have formal judo or jujitsu training - but it doesn't mean it isn't a hip throw from judo or jujitsu (whether they call themselves a judo-ka or not doesn't difference).
I hope this provides some context.
Good luck to you.
- Anonymous5 years ago
I'm going to play the devils advocate here and see if I can at least understand why it is that people come about the idea that MMA is better to TMA: TMA's are from much older systems, which many have seen to become outdated or seen to be less effective as time rolled by due to cynicism towards many movies or other such things. More cynicism comes about when people see demonstrations of some art, such as aikido. In Aikido demonstrations, you seldom see a real attack, but rather a much more controlled environment than the real world. You see the aikidoka that is being demonstrated on throw a rather week punch or kick, and then a fabulously pretty technique follows it. However, the real world won't go like that. Anyone who has done legitimate sparring trying to use these techniques will notice just how difficult these moves are, especially against trained opponents. A major hand throw is very nice, but also very hard to pull off. From here many would say, "As this technique is hard to use in a real fight, and aikido has not removed it or changed it, therefore aikido is not continuously improving". Furthermore many TMA dojo's do not train realistically. If you've ever been to certain less than satisfactory competition taekwondo schools then you know what i mean. Furthermore, many TMAs do not emphasize fighting your opponents in ways that many would consider legitimate, such as the idea of grounding an opponent without yourself going down, would inquire suspicion from more modern people. I actually have run out of arguments, so there's my attempt at devil's advocate. EDIT: @Patrick, yes I two am perplexed by the boundaries between what people would call Traditional or Modern. The easiest dividing line would in my opinion be the foundations of MMA and the more modern forms of training coming about after Bruce Lee. But, I'm not good enough to really define tradition vs modern.
- callsignfuzzyLv 71 decade ago
This actually sounds like a subtle advertisement for Kokondo and Jukido. Why don't MMA fighters train in them? Perhaps they do, but considering this is the first time I've heard of either one, I suspect one of the reasons they don't is because they're probably very rare. After seeing some clips, it seems like the Jujitsu has a lot in common with Judo, which MMA fighters may also train, so I don't think they would have a problem with that. However, the karate clips showed an awful lot of punching and kicking the air, practicing with archaic weapons, and no full-contact sparring. It would essentially be a waste of time for an MMA fighter to seek it out.
It's a mistake to assume MMA fighters have standardized training. While boxing, wrestling, BJJ, and Muay Thai are common, many also have backgrounds in karate, Taekwondo, Judo, and Sambo.