What kind of spiders are these? (Pictures)?

We have a grape house in my back yard, and there are 2 spiders that inhabit it that i find intresting. Here are some twitpics:

This one is only the web, but i hope someone can figure it out based on the funnel web.


this one is just big, it has an almost perfect classical spiderweb. its probably a little smaller then a half dollar.


tell me what you think. Thanks! (are they venomous? :/ :D)

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