Anonymous asked in Politics & GovernmentGovernment · 1 decade ago

Have you actually read Obama's health care bill H.R. 3200?

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your banks accounts for elective funds transfer.

Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation: illegal aliens.

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)

age 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!

Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.

Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!

Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?

Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.

Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will s

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  • 1 decade ago
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    I take it you copied and pasted all this from here?:

    The above post is not verbatim, but a random sampling and looking up the pages associated above suggests new HUGE government control programs and not just "letting American's keep their health care plan if they want to" B.S.

    This Bill goes way beyond health care. It would expand massive government authority and control over people and business.

    For those who think that reading off a teleprompter of what someone has told one to say, and believe that repeated media sound bites covers a story, needs to get their head out of the sand and WAKE UP.

    I tried warning people BEFORE the election about this imposed socialism, government control and massive tax and spend we would be seeing from this Administration.

    The left needs no proof for their arguments. That’s what is fundamentally wrong with their thinking. Can you imagine if Fmr Pres. Bush told you how you were going to live from now on, what kind of heath care you were going to have; what kinds of cars you should be driving; what and when you should be buying; and how you were going to live your life? What would the left media call that?

    But when the left initiates such radical movements, it's called "Change."

    Did anyone ever bother to ask what definition of "Change" means?


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    For those with no heath care, can't afford it, yes it is expensive.

    There are ALREADY EXISTING aid programs available, but you have to get up off your butt and find out. It seems that the Messiah followers just want someone to hand it to them so they don't have to do anything. That is what people voted for: A parent.

    Example in CA, those with low income or who are pregnant can get free to low cost heath care. It is a state tax payer funded PPO program covering health, dental, and vision for children that costs about $9 a month per child.

    Notice one of the ways to get this insurance is simply to have sex and get pregnant. You don't have to have citizenship. You could have gotten preg in another country, come to CA and Walla; we flip the medical bill for you then the child for the next 19 years. Got preg again? No prob, CA will pay for that too. 8 kids, no problem, CA will pay for that too.

    There is also a "no-cost Medi-Cal program" in CA. What this means is everyone else is helping to provide free health care to those who make zero dollars.

    CA tax payers also will pay for 13 years of education (K-12), and offers all kinds of economic support. If you work, make any money, forget it, you are on your own.

    If you don't work, don't want to work much, are here illegally, no problem, CA will pay for most to all your heath care bills for19 years, plus give a bonus of 13 years of free education.

    So where has that thinking taken the Golden State?

    Massive state deficits, and higher taxes for anyone who still has a job left, and who has decided to remain in the state.

    I'll write more on this on my blog.

    In short, we already have all kinds of EXISTING social welfare and social programs available by the state and federal gov. Why we need a new Trillion Dollar+ federal plan with all kinds of attached issues that has little to do with health care is a bigger issue.

    Check your state.

    I'm sure most if not all states have some EXISTING social assistance programs.

    Please try and not be mislead by political rhetoric.

    Further reading - supported by credible sources:

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    Obama's "Stimulus Package"?;_ylt=AqRhK...

    7 Months ago:

    If government spending it is good for the economy?;_ylt=AsFrj...

    1 Year ago:

    What "Change" is Obama offering?;_ylt=Av5rA...

    *H.R. data as of 07.14.2009

    Source(s): House Ways and Means Committee --- Finance & Risk Management Consultant --- 20 years in the markets (add me to view post history)
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  • 1 decade ago

    We need to get the government out of the business of meddling in health care, which was far more affordable and accessible before government got involved with Medicaid and Medicare. Short of that, and more politically feasible in the immediate run, is to allow consumers and their doctors to pull themselves out of the system through medical savings accounts. We’ve had managed care in this country since the early 1970s, and it hasn’t worked well. It’s very, very expensive, and it’s the fault that we changed our ERISA law and our tax laws that created this corporatism that runs medicine. Wall Street rakes off the profits. The patients are unhappy. The doctors are unhappy. And it’s a monopoly now. Who lobbies us in Washington? The drug companies and the HMOs. They come. And now what is the cry for? Socialized medicine. That’s not the answer. We need to get the government out of the way. Inflation hits the middle class and the poor the most. Those are the people who are losing it. We don’t have enough competition. There’s a doctor monopoly out there. We need alternative health care freely available to the people. They ought to be able to make their own choices and not controlled by the FDA preventing them to use some of the medications that can help with there ailments when the drugs we do have available don't work or the treatments are too expensive. And I understand that we need to help the poor the most through this. So get rid of the foreign policies that are draining us (Iraq, military bases around the world, our imperialistic nature) and use that money we can be saving towards our the debt that our poor patients cannot pay to the doctors that help them.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I just want to be able to see a doctor without going to the emergency room. I have not had insurance since 18. I have hospital bills from way back then. Twelves years later still no insurance. I dont know how the economy is where u r at but I am in Detroit. I have been unemployed for about a year and a half now. I am a student again and I cant afford private health care. A lot of people r in my situation in MI. What r we supposed to do if we cant afford health care?

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  • 1 decade ago

    It looks like you did a lot of work, and i was interested in reading it but once you put your own opinions in it you ruined it. I'm a big boy, I can read and interpret the bill by myself. You just wasted a lot of time writing this because anyone who doesn't already agree with you is just going to stop reading after the 3rd line.

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  • 1 decade ago

    yup, it sounds communist to me, but does anyone else see that.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Stop posting this stuff, it's simply not true.

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