If illegal aliens are not receiving welfare, why ask for reform?
Advocates on here claim illegals are not soaking up welfare and our gov. services. If they are not, Why would activist ask for welfare to end for illegal alien lawbreakers?
Activists Seek End to $640M Calif. Welfare Program for Illegals
Monday, July 13, 2009 11:53 AM
By: Dave Eberhart
Activists in California are pushing for a ballot initiative that would end public benefits for illegal immigrants and terminate welfare payments for their children, according to a report in The Los Angeles Times.
Organizers have kicked-off a drive to gather the 488,000 voter signatures required to qualify the measure for the June 2010 election. It has been a slow start, however, with only $350,000 in the war chest. Typically, statewide initiatives consume about $4 million at the signature-collecting phase.
Supporters of the initiative further want to challenge the citizenship of children born in the United States to parents who are here illegally, San Diego political activist Ted Hilton told the Times.
Hilton argued that the 14th Amendment states, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.”
Since illegal residents are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States, their offspring should not be citizens, he maintained.
Hilton pointed to estimates that California’s 2.7 million illegal residents account for $4 billion to $6 billion (mostly schools, prison space, and emergency healthcare) of the state’s $105-billion budget.
“Are we going to continue asking taxpayers to pay for these services when the state is completely out of money?” he asked.
The measure would end state welfare to an estimated 48,000 households and 100,000 children -- aid that now costs the state $640 million a year.
Hilton has been beating the drum against illegal immigration for two decades. With regard to the new initiative, his organization, Taxpayer Revolution, has gotten the seal of approval from Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, the American Legion California chapter, NumbersUSA, Save Our State, and the California Coalition for Immigration Reform.
The California initiative follows similar measures in Oklahoma, Colorado Virginia, Arizona and Georgia, according to the Times report.
Meanwhile, proponents for the rights of illegal immigrants argue that illegal residents pay taxes -- sales taxes on what they buy, gasoline taxes when they fuel their cars, property taxes if they own homes. The Social Security Administration estimates that in 2007, illegal residents nationwide contributed a net of 12 billion dollars to the system.
Peter Schey, a Los Angeles attorney who successfully challenged Proposition 187, a similar measure, said courts would most likely sink the initiative.
“This proposal . . . has no chance of surviving a constitutional challenge,” he told the Times. “It is plainly driven by racism and a desire to whip up xenophobia during difficult economic times for U.S. citizens.”
Proposition 187 was halted in its tracks when a federal judge ruled that the measure unconstitutionally usurped federal jurisdiction over immigration.
Mike Hethmon, an attorney with the Washington-based Immigration Reform Law Institute, told the Times that the latest measure passes muster under federal authority delegated to the states to restrict access to benefits and verify applicants’ eligibility.
Unlike Proposition 187, the new measure does not attempt to curtail access to education – keeping it square with the 1982 Supreme Court ruling that states could not bar illegal immigrant children from schools.
Some features of the initiative:
Would cut off CalWorks payments to the children of citizens or legal residents who fail to meet eligibility requirements for state aid because they are unwilling to work, addicted to drugs or absent.
Would require that applicants for birth certificates verify their legal status.
Would require that those applicant for birth certificate unable to verify their legal status produce official identification from a foreign government, a record of any publicly funded costs for delivering the child, and other information before receiving their child’s birth certificate, which would be marked with the notation “foreign parent.”
grease - read the question, it is about reforming the welfare system, not giving illegal lawbreakers reform, wow. you read one word and went off in your own little world. Answer the question about illegal lawbreakers getting welfare!!
REFORM the welfare system and deny illegal aliens benefits???
sagey - READ the ARTICLE!! They want reform so illegal aliens do not receive any more welfare, why do illegal advocates have problems reading the whole article and answering the questions asked????
- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
Illegal aliens do take advantage of welfare programs in the US. Influx of illegals also contributes to lower wages for the unskilled in the US.
My question is, how can most people I hear talking about this topic get so passionate about poor people illegally immigrating from Mexico and stealing welfare, not get at least as angry about rich cats in their own government who steal much, much more?
- SasoriLv 61 decade ago
Bravo Ted Hilton. I have been saying this for years. Their children are not citizens, it is a misuse of the 14th amendment.
They do use stolen socials to obtain welfare, they use socials of US born children living in other countries to obtain welfare. They use socials of children that are not their own. LPR's and illegal aliens both do this. They claim they financially support parents who do not live in the US. It's called welfare fraud and it is a CRIME.
We need to challenge the Supreme Court ruling granting education to any child in the US. It is undermining the education of US citizens children. It it violation the children's right to the best education possible.
- Ali ALv 41 decade ago
The term "welfare" is also used somewhat loosely. In addition to means-tested programs (welfare) illegal aliens and their children, legal or illegal, also use social services and add to the general costs of our society (roads, police and fire protection, etc.). As Ibu guru noted, many illegal aliens are able to collect welfare on behalf of their U.S.-born children although pro-amnesty types would have you believe that because the child (who wouldn't be here if the illegal alien parents weren't) is a U.S. citizen. No matter that the family lives off these payments. (In a recent news story I read, a woman had 5 children, four of them born here. She was collecting $650 a month in payments to them, plus other benefits such as subsidized housing. She herself was unemployed--not even working illegally and apparently unmarried.)
The States also have some discretion in what federal monies they offer to illegal aliens. For example, California through its SCHIPs program has offered medical insurance to illegal alien children.
- 5 years ago
I have read many of the the conversations on Illegals. This country is to blame. We have stood looking like lame ducks and let it happen. This country has cowered down to his majisty Obama and let him turn it into a give me country. The people of the United States had better wake up soon, or you will have a working class and a give me class.
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- 1 decade ago
Before you guys believe in any of your stupid ideas again, check this out ...
If you don't believe in this law, don't ever tell it in my face that this is a nation of laws! And, that you are law abiding citizens! (What's shocking is that according to this, Native Indians who were born in the US are not American citizens?) I'm sure the more you will deny this law forever.
- ibu guruLv 71 decade ago
Illegal aliens collect billions in welfare, food stamps, medicaid and other benefits, supposedy "for their children." Of course, not a cent goes to the child -- it all goes to the illegal alien. By some estimates, as many as half of the children claimed by illegal aliens to be "US born" are in fact child-identity theft babies. Parents steal identities of US-born children, then claim welfare, etc, for children who are in fact illegal aliens themselves. Other babies are produced solely to generate money for the parent(s) -- "welfare babies" intended solely to get money & other benefits for the parents.
Cut off the money. They violate our laws & then we give them our hard-earned money out of our pockets? No wonder so many Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck, struggling to get by, taxed to death to pay for conartists and freeloaders who should not even be in this country.
- 1 decade ago
Their not asking for reform in order to get welfare. Hello...They want to work legally instead of roaming around getting paid under the table. They want to be able to walk in the street with out the fear of being stopped and sent back to another country. They want to be part of this community. They want to pay taxes and purchase things like cars and houses. They want to be an active part of this economy. They want to be able to go to school and college knowing that its not illegal. Thats what they want. NOT WELFARE.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Because they are. The best welfare reform would be deportation!
- GreasyTonyLv 41 decade ago
Because it would get them out of the shadows and back to spending, working and investing in themselves and their families! It worked well before, and why wouldn't it work now? Comprehensive immigration reform would also eliminate the “trap door” that artificially suppresses wages and would allow workers to compete fairly for the first time. While a policy designed to deport approximately 10 million undocumented immigrants would cost at least $206 billion over five years, or $41.2 billion annually, immigration reform would pay for itself in the form of increased wages, buying power, and tax contributions that would benefit all working men and women.
"We know, from experience and analysis, that a legalization program helps grow the economy," said Dan Siciliano, associate dean at Stanford University. "Being undocumented causes immigrants not to invest in themselves, in their community, or their skills. Enfranchised consumers who are part of the above ground economy are more invested consumers. They are more likely to invest extra time, money, and effort into their children and themselves."