wendy c asked in Arts & HumanitiesGenealogy · 1 decade ago

Maggie or Mollie? Osborn or Woodruff?

A brick wall challenge for y'all. Grandma Ethel Pilcher (b. 1905) said in a letter that her mother was Maggie Woodruff. The marriage record in Upshur co, TX says Mollie Osborne md George Pilcher in 1901 (George is Ethel's dad). A file at rootsweb says she was Maggie Osborne, born 1872 in Wood county, Tx. Flip a coin time.

Maggie/ Mollie died in 1916, but I can't find a death cert at familysearch.org. Whichever was the right name.. she will only show up with George in 1910. I have hunted for either name(s) in 1880, but cannot find her with a parent. She might be in Upshur co in 1900 (but I don't have ancestry).

So, gang.. anyone want to take a shot at Maggie/ Mollie and whatever the maiden name really was? Would love to have confirmation on parent names.

Update:

yes, Maggie is absolutely wife 2 for George Pilcher.. and possible that George is husband 2 for Maggie also? found pic of Maggie's stone to confirm her dates. I had 1900 for George.. not for Maggie. Death cert for son Roy D Pilcher says mom = Maggie Woodruff. Marriage record for George/ Maggie gives Osborne in 1901.

Update 2:

holy-break-that-wall-down! Silas/Emily double enumerated? I find them in 1880 in Arkansas!

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  • Sidney
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    1 decade ago
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    Edit: Well brother William is there in Arkansas and Emily, but it appears to give Maggie's middle initial as O, so now we have two Maggie's instead of Mollie Maggie. I will think about it tomorrow.

    Maggie Magdaline Woodruff married twice to 1. Lee Meeks and had son Willie, then 2. George Mitchell Pilcher in 1904. Maggie's mother's name I believe was Sallie, probably short for Sarah, and her father S. Woodruff on the 1880 census was probably Silas. I believe that George was married 4 times, because according to the 1910 census he had been married 3 times, I believe to Catherine, Mollie, and then Maggie. He married Mollie in 1901 and Maggie in about 1904. In the 1910 census he and Maggie had been married 6 years. I think the census data and marriage records are more accurate than what I found elsewhere. I don't think Mollie and Maggie were the same person. I think Mollie was his second wife and Maggie his third.

    UPSHUR COUNTY MARRIAGES

    1872-1949

    Book E

    Partial

    1901 Pilcher G M Mollie Osborne E 483

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    1918 Pilcher Geo M Zula Alexander I 35

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    TX UPSHUR 7 J-PCT (NORTHWEST PART) 1930 Census

    PILCHER G M 74 M W AL (married 23 yrs?) parents AL

    Zula 70 Al, parents Al, married 17 years

    Bufford 17 TX, parents AL

    They were actually married 12 years according to the marriage records.

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    TX UPSHUR 7-PCT, farm on Gilmer and Big Sandy RD. 1920 Census

    George M. Pilcher 67 AL, parents AL

    Zula 50 AL, parents AL

    Ethel M. 15 TX, parents born AL

    Roy G 13 TX, AL, AL

    Sarah B. 10 TX, AL, AL

    Beuford 7 TX, AL, AL

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    TX UPSHUR 3 J-PCT, Winnberg? & Gilmer RD 1910 Census

    *PILCHER, GEO M 56 M W AL, married 3 times, married 6 years, parents born AL.

    *Madgie 38, married twice, 6 years, 4 children, born TX, parents born AL.

    Cara 14 Al, father AL, mother TX

    *Ethel 5 TX, AL, TX

    Roy D. 3 TX, AL, TX

    Sarah 9/12 TX, AL, TX

    Willie Meeks stepson, 16 TX, father TX, mother AL

    George was married 3 times by 1910, must have been Catherine, then Mollie Osborne in 1901, Maggie (Woodruff) Meeks in 1904, and Zula in 1918.

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    TX UPSHUR 3 J-PCT 1900 Census

    PILCHER, GEORGE M 46 M W AL, born July 1854, married 16 years, parents born AL

    Catherine 32 born Feb. 1868 AL. parents AL

    Noah 13, born July 1886 AL, parents AL

    Joseph M. 12, born May 1888 AL

    Viola 9, born July 1890 AL

    Gary daughter 7, born May 1893 AL

    Cara 4, born May 1896 AL

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    MEEKS WILLIE 6 M W TX TX LAMAR 8-PCT 1900 nephew to head of household

    Will Woodruff, head of household, 28, born Sep. 1871 AL, parents born AL. married 3 years.

    Arva 21, wife TX

    Willie G. 2 tX

    Willie Meeks 6 nephew born Apr. 1894 TX, father TX, mother AL

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    Willie C. Meeks

    Memorial Photos Flowers Edit

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    Birth: Apr. 20, 1894

    Death: Nov. 21, 1962

    Texas

    Pvt Btry D

    13 Field Atry

    World War I

    Burial:

    Hoover Cemetery

    Big Sandy

    Upshur County

    Texas, USA

    Find a grave

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    Name: George Mitchell PILCHER

    Sex: M

    Birth: 17 JUL 1858 in Skipperville(Dale County)Alabama

    Death: 18 JAN 1933 in Upshur, Texas

    Reference Number: 375

    Father: Reese P. PILCHER b: ABT 1833 in Alabama

    Mother: Catherine HUTTO b: ABT 1837 in Alabama

    Marriage 1 Catherine F. JOHNSON b: FEB 1868 in Alabama

    Married: in Alabama

    Children

    Noah Arvin PILCHER b: 27 JUL 1886 in Newton(Dale County)Alabama

    Joseph M. PILCHER b: MAY 1888 in Dale County, Alabama

    Viola PILCHER b: 16 JUL 1890 in Dale County, Alabama

    Garrie PILCHER b: 2 MAY 1893 in Dale County, Alabama

    Cora PILCHER b: MAY 1896 in Upshur County, Texas

    Marriage 2 Maggie OSBORNE b: 2 OCT 1872 in Wood, Texas

    Married: 25 AUG 1901 in Upshur, Texas (I think this is wrong)

    Death: 6 NOV 1916 in Upshur, Texas

    Children

    Ethel May PILCHER b: 16 FEB 1905 in Big Sandy(Upshur County)Texas

    Roy Dee PILCHER b: 7 JAN 1907 in Big Sandy(Upshur County)Texas

    Joda PILCHER b: APR 1909 in Big Sandy(Upshur County)Texas

    Sarah Bessie PILCHER b: 25 JUN 1909 in Upshur County, Texas

    Buford Woodrow PILCHER b: 1913

    Marriage 3 Zoula ALEXANDER

    Married: 10 DEC 1918 in Upshur, Texas

    http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op...

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    *PILCHER R P 27 M W AL AL DALE NEWTON P O 1860 Census

    *Catherine 23 AL

    Sarah 10 AL

    William 7

    Charles 5

    Alsey J. 4 daughter

    *Michull 2

    Benjamin W. 6 mos.

    ****************************************************************************

    Name: Maggie Magaline WOODRUFF

    Given Name: Maggie Magaline

    Surname: Woodruff

    Sex: F

    Birth: 2 Oct 1873 in Alabama

    Death: 6 Nov 1916 in Gilmer, Upshur County, Texas

    Father: Silas Greene WOODRUFF b: 10 Apr 1835 in Franklin County, Alabama

    Mother: Emmlie T. MCCLUSKY b: Wft Est 1826-1848

    Marriage 1 Lee Andrew MEEKS b: Wft Est 1847-1874

    Married: Wft Est 1886-1909

    Children

    Willie Carrol MEEKS b: May 1895 in Montague, Texas

    **************************************...

    WOODRUFF MAGGIE 6 F W AL AL CALHOUN ALEXANDRIA 1880 Census

    *S Woodruff 46 SC, SC, SC

    *Sallie 36 SC, SC, SC

    Kirby 14 AL

    Norris 12 AL

    *Maggie 6 AL

    Soran? 3 son AL

    Maggie's brother Will should have been there in 1880, but he might have been staying with other family members when the census was taken. There is an M. Woodruff 70 born SC living near Silas, probably his father.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Wenedy-did you find this with her name mispelled?

    Age in 1910: 5

    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905

    Birthplace: Texas

    Relation to Head of House: Daughter

    Father's Name: Geo M

    Father's Birth Place: Alabama

    Mother's Name: Madgie

    Mother's Birth Place: Texas

    Home in 1910: Justice Precinct 3, Upshur, Texas

    Marital Status: Single

    Race: White

    Gender: Female

    Neighbors: View others on page

    Household Members: Name Age

    Geo M Pilcher 56

    Madgie Pilcher 38

    Cara Pilcher 14

    Ethel Pilcher 5

    Roy D Pilcher 3

    Sarah Pilcher 9/12

    Willie Meeks 16

    Could she have been a second wife?

    Name: Cara Pilcher

    Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 3, Upshur, Texas

    Age: 4

    Birth Date: May 1896

    Birthplace: Alabama

    Race: White

    Ethnicity: American

    Gender: Female

    Relationship to Head of House: Daughter

    Father's Name: George M

    Father's Birthplace: Alabama

    Mother's Name: Catherine F

    Mother's Birthplace: Alabama

    Marital Status: Single

    Residence : Justice Precinct 3, Upshur, Texas

    Occupation: View on Image

    Neighbors: View others on page

    Household Members: Name Age

    George M Pilcher 45

    Catherine F Pilcher 32

    Noah Pilcher 13

    Joseph M Pilcher 12

    Viola Pilcher 9

    Gary Pilcher 7

    Cara Pilcher 4

    Source(s): ancestry.com
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  • 5 years ago

    This is my direct line and I posted all that years ago but have been correcting things through the years as more info is avalible to us. Made a break through on the Sadler line of things if you get that far. Can help anyone with Magga, (Maggie), Magaline, Osborn Woodruff or her brother E.B. Woodruff. They lived in Arkansas near Hope and Mena, Honey Grove Texas and Upshur County Texas. Anyone can reach me at rebekah_gaston@yahoo.com, please list family tree name in subject. I have photo's of Silas Greene Woodruff pre Cival War. Magga or Maggie's Father.And most of all the Woodruff line from Magga down and her brother.

    This is my

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  • 1 decade ago

    http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/...

    The link above is for a family tree for Silas Greene Woodruff and Emily T. McClusky with a contact email address for the submitter.

    daughter Maggie Magaline WOODRUFF Birth:2 Oct 1873 in Alabama Death: 6 Nov 1916 in Gilmer, Upshur County, Texas

    Husband is Lee Andrew Meeks and they have a son Willie Carrol Meeks.

    Son is Willie B. Erin WOODRUFF or William Bernard Ervin Woodruff on other trees. wife Addie Irene Elizabeth Cox

    Johney E. Woodruff s/o of E.B. and Lizzie (maiden Cox) Woodruff is buried in Grice Cemetery in Upshur County. (Find a Grave) This family is in Upshur County in 1910 census as Ervin and Lizzie Woodruff and they too have a daughter named Ethel and a son named Roy.

    1900 TX Lamar County census Willie Meeks age 6 listed as nephew is living in his Uncle Willie Wooddruff's household.

    Source(s): Ancestry.com Find a Grave Rootsweb.com
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