Christadelphians: Who were the "angels" mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6?

2 Peter 2:4 - "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment."

Jude 6 - "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

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  • 1 decade ago
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    The Greek word "aggelos" translated "angel" means "messenger, agent", and is used of both human and divine messengers. It is used of humans in the following places: Matt. 11:10; Luke 7:24, 27; 9:52; and James 2:25.

    That "sons of God" must refer to divine angels. (It refers to humans in Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Psa. 82:6, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1.)

    That evil power can still be exercised by the "angels that sinned" despite the fact that they are "reserved in everlasting chains". (Why bother to chain these angels, if, as the false idea about the Devil contends, they can still 'exercise dangerous power over men and women'?)

    The angels in this passage are human, not divine angels. This is proven by the following:

    a. "The wages of sin is death." (Rom. 6:23).

    b. If divine angels were sinners, then they would die.

    c. But Jesus said angels do not die. (Luke 20:36).

    d. Therefore, the angels which sinned were human, not divine angels.

    All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. There is no scriptural evidence for asserting bodies that can be "materialized" and "dissolved".

    There is evidence that the human angels were the 250 princes of the Israelitish congregation which were led in rebellion by Korah, Dathan and Abiram. (Num. 16). Consider the following:

    a. They were "aggeloi" (angels) since they were assigned to "minister" to the congregation. (Num. 16:9).

    b. Their "first estate" or "principality" (Jude 6 mg.) was that of "princes" or "leaders" R.S.V. (Num. 16:2).

    c. They left this "former estate" when they sought the priesthood. (Num. 16:10).

    d. They were delivered into "chains of darkness" when they were swallowed alive by the earth. (Num. 16:31-33).3

    e. They were "sinners" in arrogating to themselves the priesthood. (Num. 16:10, 38).

    f. The judgment is that which will be administered by Christ. (2 Tim. 4:1).

    It will be noted that in Peter's epistle, "the angels that sinned" is placed chronologically before the time of (2 Peter 2:4, 5), whereas in Jude's epistle, it is placed after the exodus of Israel from Egypt. (Jude 5, 6). There are too many similarities between the two epistles to conclude that the accounts refer to two different occasions on which "angels sinned". Rather Jude's epistle must be regarded as setting out the chronological order of events since in verse 6 the Greek text is syntactically connected with verse 5, thereby implying the historical sequence. But why the reversal of historical allusions in Peter's account? Because verse 4 in Peter's account is connected with verse 1. "But there were false prophets also among the people, {i.e., Israel of old} even as there shall be false teachers among you . . ." Verses 2 and 3 are a warning of false teachers to come in the future, but verse 4 reverts to verse 1 and illustrates the judgment of God upon false prophets in Israel. In verses 5-7, Peter guided by the Holy Spirit, selects two additional illustrations from Old Testament history.

    The Greek word for "hell" in 2 Peter 2:4 is "tartarus" which only occurs in this passage. In popular mythology "tartarus" meant lower than hell ("hades"). This is exactly where Korah, Dathan, and Abiram went when swallowed up by the earth.

    The crutch people use to support this idea of a fallen angel is Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, both of witch speak of the MAN who fell from heaven (political heavens) who was the King of Tyre.

    Sin comes from within

    For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander…. Matt 15:19

    Not from the outside….

    Satan means adversary, this is why Peter was called Satan, (he stood in the way of God’s plan for Jesus) this is why an Angel of the LORD was called the adversary (satan can be placed there) Numbers 22:22 # 7854 (adversary, opposer, satan) http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?t=KJV&x=0...

    We need to know Sin, only then will we be able to fight it.

  • 4 years ago

    Genesis 6:1-2 and the Jude 6 "sons of God" or fallen angels were the same and the same as 2 Peter 2:4-5. The Matt. 22:30 is something else unrelated. When Christians die, they become like angels.

  • 1 decade ago

    Revelation 12:9 So down, the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the ENTIRE inhabited earth,; he was hurled down and his angels were hurled down with him.

    12b Woe, for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.

    Welcome Jesus, earth's new King! Praise the Father Yahweh!

  • 1 decade ago

    I had to search the net for 'Christadelphian.' Never heard of them before. Nonetheless, the answer of my faith would be that one third of the angels followed Lucifer in his rebellion against God's principles of government, calling Him unfair. These are the ones that were cast out of heaven with Lucifer, their leader.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Isn't God talking about the fallen angels as in Satan and the angels that followed satan? I'm pretty sure that's what he's talking about (im christian btw)

  • 1 decade ago

    May I just first comment on this assumption that 'adriftfeline' makes that "Lucifer and his angels" do this and that. The only Scriptural, and therefore inspired reference to Lucifer is found in Isaiah 14:12 as follows:

    Isaiah 14

    12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    People never seem to read the context of the verse they look at. This is specifically speaking of a king who had lorded is over others and was being brought down by God. Just read this through:

    Isa 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

    Isaiah 14

    4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

    5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, [and] the sceptre of the rulers.

    6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, [and] none hindereth.

    7 The whole earth is at rest, [and] is quiet: they break forth into singing.

    8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, [and] the cedars of Lebanon, [saying], Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

    9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet [thee] at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, [even] all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

    Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

    Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, [and] the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

    Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

    Isa 14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?

    Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, [even] all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

    Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, [and as] the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

    Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, [and] slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

    So verse 4 tells me that it is the King of Babylon who is being addressed as Lucifer.

    On the general question angel = messenger

    hell = the grave, or on some occasions gehenna (from the Valley of Hinnom) the place where they burnt the rubbish and unclaimed bodies outside the wall of Jerusalem. It is certain churches, poets and painters who have embroidered this idea as with Lucifer to make it something so sinister.

    Those concerned were thrown down to the grave, there have been those in Scripture who have flowted God's commands.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    The fallen angels who cohabited with human women creating the Nephilim or giants. See Genesis chapter 6.

    ORIGINS

    http://armageddonangelsufos.com/origins.htm

    UFOs, Aliens, Fallen Angels, Nephilim and Their Ranks

    http://armageddonangelsufos.com/Mayan%20version%20...

    Fate of the Giants: and why they were forgotten

    http://armageddonangelsufos.com/fate_of_the_giants...

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