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Do you think that religion is the main barrier for Turkish and Greek people?

I usually find non-religious people's ideas more logical. Your thoughts?

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@Orhun

Let me clear my question. It is not about the faith or beliefs but some fanatic people.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    Behind religion and nationalism there is always one and only factor which divides people: The financial interests of the Great Powers through the centuries.

    Going back to the 16th and the 17th centuries, it has been Venice to encourage religious differences which served her commercial influence and expansion, and agitated the christian inhabitants of the Greek peninsula to revolt against the Ottoman sovereign.

    The Ottoman - Venetian Wars lasted for centuries and the local populations learned to fight on the side of Venice in the name of Christianity.

    On the other hand, the Ottomans used the Patriarchate, which was totally under their control, to convince the Cretans that they would be more free as Orthodox under their tolerant dominion than under the Venetian Catholic regime.

    In the 18th century it was easier for Orthodox Russia to put under her religious "protection" the Balkan ethnicities, and use them for her own expansion in the Ottoman territories, mainly the Aegean Sea.

    During the Greek Revolution, encouraged by Russia, France and England (which later on formed political parties acting under their influence), the factor "religion" has been decisive as the Albanians living in the greek peninsula took parts according to religion: The christians joined the Greeks and the Muslims joined the Turks.

    Later on, the ethnic cleansing on both sides has been based on the same criteria, the first victims of this paranoid policy being the muslim Cretans, who felt neither Greek, nor Turkish but simply Cretan and their discendants who now live in Turkiye, Syria and Libya feel always likewise.

    The exchange of populations between the two countries which resulted from the dissolvement of the Ottoman Empire, Greece and Turkiye, even in the 20th century was based on the same criteria, and we faced the phaenomenon of Turkish speaking christian refugees (from Kappadocea, Thrace etc) and Greek speaking muslims who still live in Pontus.

    Though, in greek territories where "Turks" and Greeks" lived together for centuries and enjoyed a common high standard of living, as in Rodos, where there are absolutely no religious discriminations, it has been the Italians who oppressed the muslim minority during the period of the Italian occupation of the Dodecanese islands.

    Nowdays things have changed, and apart from the fanatics from both sides who celebrate the "seige" of Polis - Eis tin Polin - Instanbul with parades or with mourns (depends on the side) religion and past are of no importance, but there is always the factor "weapons industries" which is encouraging claims of rocks and fishery territories of the Aegean Sea, so that they can get profit out of the ammunition sales. The former USA governments were specialists of the kind (Dick Chaney for example?)

    Still, Greeks do not oppose the acceptance of Turkiye in the European Union, but the French, the Spanish and - above all - the Italians do, religious excuses included.

    A taxi driver in Rome was telling me that he would join any religious war against the admition of Turkiye, and the same I happend to hear (widely) in Venice.

    In conclusion, it is not religion that devides people, and in our case Greeks and Turks, but what the big financial interests invent and impose to keep people apart.

    Source(s): Family archives, double origins (Italian and Greek) and personal intensive (and international) experience.
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  • Anonymous
    4 years ago

    I don't care religion first of all.But it doesn't mean i will be a silly hippi that would forget who is friend ,who is the enemy .I know the history .Our dispute with Greeks is not religious or racial. It is national . it doesn't mean i will be rude to Greek people when i meet them , but there are 6 million other options in this world to be friend .I m not going to hug my annoying neighbore ...Peace is fine and enough ..Let's keep the barriers, no need to be close.

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  • 1 decade ago

    There are many things together.

    Fanatism in religion is one.History is the other.Poltics is the third.The fact that Turkey is a military with state and not a state with military is another one,blablabla....

    there is a list of hundreds of things,which all together burdens the relation of those two nations.

    But for me the main main reason , is the close minded people, who want to apply their problems/hates/dislikes to the whole population and not to individuals.

    f.e.

    I m on the one side of History. I have personal reasons to hate/dislike Turkey and Turks.

    I dont. Its not that I like Turks (to be honest, neither like or dislike) but I do like individuals, because my relation with them , is not about history neither religion or whatever, is about thinking the same way,respect each other,etc.

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  • Cihan
    Lv 4
    1 decade ago

    It depends on how you consider religion. Or what is religion.

    Religions and races are the main determinants for mass culture. So matter is if you are a religios person for joining to mass culture or for your own beliefs. Mass culture takes stereotypes as FACTS.

    Current Muslim belief settled on Arab culture ( Mass Culture for Islam ). So its more conservative about daily life.

    On the other hand Christian mass culture settled on being Christian and adapted to daily life during Christian reform movement. It made some goods and also brought some xenophobic doctrines to Christians who are into mass culture.

    So they started to blame each other over religions. Religions became tongs in the hands of Leaders. So religions are just tongs.

    The main barrier between Greeks and Turks is the history obsession. Both are conversative. Turks are proud of being Turk and Greeks are proud of being Greek because of their warrior histories. Or we can call this arrogancy of past.

    Now ? Both are crawling in the red line of low life expanse. Thats a fact that nations who cant take a role at world politics seeks own consolation in past. Have you ever seen a British talking about 100 Year Wars and discussing with a French about wars which they made for centuries ?

    Why Chineses, Turks, Greeks, Italians, Spanish, Egyptian, Persians are obsessed about history and loves to peek history more than other nations ? Most of the British German American French Swedish ? dont know about their history, they dont even teach like we do. Just close history, last century etc...

    I know some might claim that our histories are glorious. But the way our governments use them is just.. for imposing some NATIONALISM or more RACISM.

    So main problem is education system for history. And religion as tongs...

    EDIT: Btw i will do anything i can do for driving racists out.

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  • 1 decade ago

    No it's not, It's about humans (or so called humans) brains. Not for faiths. If we think like that, Turks and koreans loves eachother, but their relligions are different.

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  • 1 decade ago

    No, official histories are.

    It all comes down to what others make you believe. Some of us mature enough and learn enough to see history and politics as themselves. Others are stuck up in highschool history and keep on defending that the other side is the seed of satan. ;)

    And about religion... religion without politics, and also religion as a purely spiritual thing, freed of the burden of organizing social life, isn't necessarily bad. Problems arise when people demand from others to conform to their own way of life. If everybody left everybody else free to do whatever they will, it will be a lot easier. That's why secularism is the best way for multicultural societies.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    not, because Turkiye`s people want to join to EU to convert Greece and christian Europe into islam

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    no of course.

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