If Jewish people didn’t originally come from Israel; then where in the world did we come from?
The reason I ask this is because some people on this site seem to think that Jewish people didn’t come from any where and that they don’t belong any where either.
So what’s up with that?
- ✡mama pajama✡Lv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
Well, your first two answers show precisely how easy it is for the propagandists who wish to negate 3000 years of archaeological evidence to the homeland of the covenant nation people, the Jews, further confuse people and try to delegitimize the presence of the Jews in the Jewish homeland!.
One answer claims the Jews are a religion alone, not understanding that Jewish self-identity has always been tied to the covenant that makes us a people, a nation...specifically one with with tribal laws that we believe are an eternal covenant between God and our nation people.
Every nation has a homeland, a beginning, and for Israel, the beginning of our identity as a nation people was born with the covenant of Abraham, continued with Isaac and Jacob and reestablished in exile from Egypt and formed with the receipt of the Torah ( we celebrate during Shavuot)
The covenant nation, Israel established itself in the land of Canaan approximately 3500 years ago. Artifacts of Jewish presence in the land of Israel goes back at least 3000 years in archaeological finds.
New artifacts are uncovered all the time showing this ancient tie to the land of Israel. In fact, just TODAY there was news of a new find.
The Jewish presence, though always a small nation people, is now found all over the world. Jews are more than a religion, we are a people whose identity is defined by the laws of Torah.
The account of the construction of Hezekiah's water tunnel under Jerusalem by King Hezekiah shortly before the city was besieged by Sennacherib in about 701 BCE is described in Kings and Chronicles in the Tanakh. Archaeologists discovered the tunnel in the 19th century.
I believe in the Declaration of Human Rights that gives every nation people the legitimate right to establish self-governance and self-determination.
Every nation people has a beginning, a homeland. For the Jews, Israel is that land. It is a part of the very identity of the covenant nation, our eternal tie to the land of our patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and to our mothers, Sarah, Rivkah and Rachel.
The modern state of Israel does not need to base it’s legitimacy on a belief of promise from God, even though many claim that is it’s only reason for legitimacy. For centuries, Jews have been working to reestablish the national homeland through legitimate means and the course of the development of the state of Israel certainly reflects this process. The hard-earned efforts of Israel to gain statehood stand as an example, if people would study it, rather than the often so bizarre it borders on insane propaganda spread about it. The facts invalidate the charges by extremist voices who would attempt to negate the right of the nation people, Israel to exist in the home LAND of Israel.
Israel's status as a legitimate, democratic nation state today depends as much if not more so on the process of law and adherence to protocol that it took to form the state for it's nation people according to the UN Definitions and how it indeed, became a legitimate state legally recognized by the UN Charter, to take it's legitimate place in the council of nations. It exists as legitimately as the United States of America or any other member nation. The Jewish people had been working to reestablish sovereignty in the homeland centuries before the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America had been proclaimed against Britain.
Why is it acceptable to hate the nation people Israel/Jews for wanting a homeland in our homeland of Eretz Yisrael? That is what Zionism is. It is not anything racist.
It is no more racist to be Zionist than it is for any of the Muslim nations to have their own nation. In fact, because Israel is not a theocracy, it does not violate the UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, as do many Islamic nations that complain that Zionism is racist! Why are the Jewish people excluded from the basic human right of self-determination afforded to all other peoples under the guidelines of the Declaration of Human Rights?
It is no more racist than the idea of any nation/people to have a homeland. Any nation/entity should have the right of self-determination. The Palestinian nation (PLO) people who formed in the years after the state of Israel was established at the organizing of Gamal Abdul Nasser and Yasser Arafat and other Egyptian nationalists, have the right to their own nation, but not at the expense of another established nation.
There has never been a time in well over 2000 years that Israel was NOT seen as the eternal homeland of the nation of Israel and there shall never be a time as long as Jews exist on planet earth when it is not the homeland of Israel even if the surrounding nations were to wipe the government of the current state of Israel out. If they were to do so, it would violate the very precepts they claim to want for themselves.
Israel allows non-Jews full rights of citizenship, voting and other rights. Many other nations do not allow such things for Jews. Zionism is in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights that affirm the fundamental importance of the right of self-determination of all peoples, by virtue of which they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Also, Heathcliff is incorrect, of the Jews living in Israel, approximately 57% are of Mizrahi ..meaning native to North Africa and the Middle East. The Mizrahi numbers of Jews were boosted by the Approximately 800,000 Jews were expelled from 14 primarily Arab Muslim countries, with property confiscated, during the years immediately following the establishment of the State of Israel. These refugees that received no international aide, were not kept as political pawns, but were integrated into Israeli society. The Jews already living in the land, those refugees and their descendents, reveal that it is another bit of misinformation and propaganda designed to create a false image of Jews as foreigners to the Jewish homeland.
edit: Calling someone a name doesn't change the facts, nor does it make history revisionism any less palatable. Peace comes from honesty and acting in a peaceful and respectable manner to another. This question is a good example in microcosm of the Middle East itself! I am verbally attacked in violation of community guidelines for a well researched answer that is backed by reliable and reputable references in a peaceful and respectable manner and is used as an example of a a "cause of war"!
This question is about the ORIGIN of the Jewish people. Archaeology, linguistics and history prove beyond any reasonable doubt to any reasonable person that the land of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people.
The fact that despite dispersal over the globe we have retained the same laws ( Torah ) among different cultures and lands for 3500 years attests to the fact of a single origin.
If one says that Israel is not a legitimate country, then that logic would invalidate Syria and Jordan from legitimacy and also the United States ( The Jewish people had been seeking self rule in the national homeland since BEFORE the Declaration of Independence of the United States)
There is NO legitimate reason to deny the objective FACTS.
I will not comment further. The facts are available for others to read despite the ad hominem and insult.
I had previously given Heathcliff the benefit of the doubt that he had simply been the unwitting victim of the propagandist as my answer stated regarding his incorrect answers based on common misinformation ..but his response in light of the references I provided to show him the correct information and why it's origin is propagandist in nature...certainly now are making it appear his misinformation was willful rather than out of simple mistake.
EDIT: Regarding this from Clyde :"*According to Alexander Scholch, GERMAN JEW AND PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN, the population of Palestine in 1850 had about 350,000 inhabitants, 30% of whom lived in 13 towns; roughly 85% were Muslims(Arabs), 11% were Christians and 4% Jews.Scholch, 1985, p. 503."
DO NOT FORGET THAT THIS AREA REFERRED TO HERE INCLUDES THE 80% OF BRITISH MANDATE PALESTINE that became JORDAN in 1947
Isn't it AMAZING that those who want to try to discredit that Israel is the homeland of the Jews will insist that Jordan isn't Palestine when talking about land area..but when referring to population percentages they INCLUDE it??!!!
Jordan did not have many Jews then, most certainly, the State of Israel didn't include it and in fact, Transjordan ( as the Arab designations for Palestine were Transjordan and Cisjordan) was forbidden to Jewish settlement by law from 1921 onward...and I remind once again that the origin of the Jewish people is what we're talking about..and it is ISRAEL, not Transjordan/Jordan that is the Jewish homeland..and Israel is only a small fraction of what was British Mandate Palestine.
While Clyde claims "two" origins..his own answer reveals the origin of the Jewish people is the middle east!
My "origin"..meaning the land of my parents birth is not Israel..but the origin of the covenant nation people to whom I belong IS. My parents were born in the U.S. So claiming that Jews born in Europe mean that the origin of Jews is from both Europe and the Middle East is a non-sequitor..the question is asking where the Jewish people originally came from and the answer is ..ISRAEL.
The first and second Diaspora are the primary reason Jews first dispersed elsewhere..and subsequent conquests and expulsions. Jews were alsoSource(s): edit continued: demonized by different conquering peoples for refusing to assimilate ..( there are always individuals who succomb) We are intact still as a people because we have refused to give up our collective identity as a covenant nation. Israel did NOT *steal* Arab lands to form the state of Israel. That lie is disproven by documentary evidence enough to fill libraries and is available through UN Archives. This is a long answer that will perhaps help Heathcliff understand why the Jewish people ARE a nation ( see link at the bottom of the answer I give here also )http://de.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200... http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200812... < the languages of a people tell where they come from...see a link I share at my answer here Please! a http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Early+History+-+... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Archae... < LONG list of ancient archaeological evidences
- 1 decade ago
Most likely somewhere around the middle east.
Then the Jews were slaves in Egypt, then were freed by Hashem (G-d).
They got the Torah at Har Sinai, and were guided through the desert for 40 years.
Then they came to the land of Israel
- 1 decade ago
In the modern context most Israeli Jews came from Europe, they re settled their after World War 2. A Jew isn't a nationality it is a religion, that is why it is hard to pin point where they come from, just like it would be hard to say where a Christian or Muslim comes from.
If you look at my answer you twit mama paj you will see I was referring to after WW2! Israel did not exist as such then it was known as Palaestine, this where we get all the problems there today because they resettled jews in a muslim area! But its ok you just keep calling people propagandists and blame everything on everyone else! Stop being so damn paranoid and thinking everyone is against jews! What a joke!
- Anonymous1 decade ago
There are two origins, the Middle East and Europe. Middle Eastern Jews look almost identical to Arabs(actually share up to 40% of the same genetic material)-all Jews(mostly Middle Eastern Jews) made up less than 5% of the population of Arab Palestine, occupied, not owned, by the Ottoman Empire until 1922 , when the Arab armies(no Jews participated) threw them off. The UN assigned British occupation of Palestine and FOREIGN ILLEGAL(exceeded British quotas) European Jews with little/no ties to the Middle East, immigrated, raising the population of Jews in Arab Palestine to 35%. The European Jews formed the murderous Jewish terrorist groups, the Stern Gang and Irgun(now Likud)-actually labeled as such by the British, whom started slaughtering their Arab hosts and stealing their land to create Israel in 1948. Jewish is an ethnicity and/or a religion.
Ashkenazic Jews are the Jews of France, Germany, and Eastern Europe and their descendants. Sephardic Jews are the Jews of Spain, Portugal, North Africa and the Middle East and their descendants. Sephardic Jews are often subdivided into Sephardim (from Spain and Portugal) and Mizrachim (from the Northern Africa and the Middle East), though there is much overlap between those groups. Until the 1400s, the Iberian Peninsula, North Africa and the Middle East were all controlled by Muslims, who generally allowed Jews to move freely throughout the region. When the Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492, many of them were absorbed into existing Mizrachi communities in Northern Africa and the Middle East. The word "Ashkenazic" is derived from the Hebrew word for Germany. The word "Sephardic" is derived from the Hebrew word for Spain. The word "Mizrachi" is derived from the Hebrew word for Eastern.
In Israel, a little more than half of all Jews are Mizrachim, descended from Jews who have been in the land since ancient times or who were forced out of Arab countries after Israel was founded. Most of the rest are Ashkenazic, descended from Jews who moved to Arab Palestine instead of the United States in the late 1800s, or from Holocaust survivors, or from other immigrants who came at various times. About 1% of the Israeli population are the black Ethiopian Jews who fled during the brutal Ethiopian famine in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
*According to Alexander Scholch, GERMAN JEW AND PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN, the population of Palestine in 1850 had about 350,000 inhabitants, 30% of whom lived in 13 towns; roughly 85% were Muslims(Arabs), 11% were Christians and 4% Jews.Scholch, 1985, p. 503.
Palestinian Demographics Link up to 1948
EDIT: Carin b: That the Jews were slaves of Egyptians has been proven in error-they were actually cruelly treated paid workers. As for the Exodus, depending on sources, this occured either in 1470 B.C. or 1446 B.C.. Most believe it occured under Egypt's first female ruler, Queen Hatshepsut(another story in itself) described by early modern scholars as only having served as a co-regent from about 1479 to 1458 B.C., during years seven to twenty-one of the reign previously identified as that of Thutmose III.It is now thought the Jews were NOT slaves, but harshly treated, paid workers. The Exodus was NOT a small group.Conservatively, it is estimated there were 600,000 people, liberally, 800,000-the Arab Semitic White Egyptians and Black Nubians living among them, liberally, were estimated at 200,000. It is unlikey they enslaved a Jewish population 3-4 times their size. Many authorities now believe the Egyptians, because of God's plagues sent upon them, were glad to be rid of the Jews, providing them food, water, other necessities, even an escort out of Egypt. Since this was not considered an important event to the Egyptians, they did not document it.God then closed the Red Sea upon the Egyptians. The Red Sea has receded some what since those times. Solomon's pillars with the story of Moses' Exodus on them have been discovered along with the Egyptian Chariots and location, exactly as described in the Bible, have been discovered at the bottom of the Red Sea-see the following links:
For those looking for further confirmation of Biblical events and places, Biblical Archeology Revie is an ecellent source:
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- SCRAPPYLv 61 decade ago
The Old Testament shows Jews as wandering people who did not come from any one place. Throughout the bible God was trying to find them a home.
After WWII they finally settled in what is known as Israel today
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Wow Mama Paj really droned on didn't he/she! This is perhaps one reason why jews have been the cause of most wars throughout history and have been constanly persecuted they take themseleves way too seriously! They also like to brand people antio semetic and "propagandist" even when those people couldn't less about the jews!