Theists & Atheists: Do you agree a great "POWER" DOES exist, but gods do NOT exist?
Here is one argument to show that a great "POWER" DOES exist, but gods do NOT exist.
But before we do, let's define/target a god before we bust him. For discussion sake, let's target and bust the god of Moses worshiped by Jews, Christians and Muslims.
Let's put out the following query: Is there any evidence anywhere, such as a god particle, a god fossil, a god thingy of some kind, to identify, trace, detect this god, living or dead, since Moses proclaimed him? In academia, in the absence of proof of the existence of something it must be deemed not to exist until verifiable proof is found. Thus, god is held not to exist pending some sort of verifiable evidence. All the paleontologists, astronomers and scientists are still looking. Despite the abuse they receive, many retain their faith and hope to find evidence. But the answer has always been NO. Then by reasonable judgment, god does NOT exist.
Indeed there is much that is amazing, that we are researching, that we don't have answers for. But to conclude that therefore some god (which god) did it, is beyond naive or stupid. It's self deceiving.
Science has shown that energy can neither be created, nor destroyed. It has always existed in many forms as matter and dark matter, energy and dark energy, in ways we have yet to discover. The Big Bang was nothing more than a behavior of this always existent energy. We come from energy. We are energy. We take in and expel energy. We will return to energy. Science has revealed all this. There is no need for a god to create that which has always existed, not created, indestructible. So why stick our heads in the sand and say "I'm alive. God is the explanation?" What are you, if not energy? All the universe, see and unseen, is energy. You are a part of that whole. After you die, you will live on, in different dispersed forms of energy. And if maggots crawl out of your dead carcass, it is reasonable for a primitive man to conclude that you have reincarnated. But your perceived god has no power aside from energy. What then is greater, energy or the perceived god. What is an invisible god without the POWER? All that we see, all we know is energy.
Follow up: Then why did Moses proclaim his god? Could there be a motive for Moses to fabricate such a god? How about power, kingdoms, captive virgins, gold and chattels? (Numbers 31:25-54) Isn't that a great motive for outlaws to slaughter and plunder humanity? Then by reasonable judgment, the god of Moses is a fabrication, but a useful tool for men in positions of power as well as the followers who benefit.
The era of superstition is fast coming to an end, as knowledge overcomes ignorance and evidence against it continues to build. It's a reasoned judgment based on the preponderance of the evidence or lack thereof, plus other factors. Not everything is known to man. Therefore, judgment is critical and has been instrumental in the progress of our humanity. Our judgments are successful when they are based on the preponderance of evidence, unbiased knowledge and wisdom. If we rejected the preponderance of evidence in favor of FAITH, the earth would still be flat and at the center of the universe.
Actually, the 'idea of gods' needs prostrating worshipers like yourself to be, otherwise what would it be? Not even a hallucination. Those who create or worship imaginary gods suffer one or more of the following weaknesses: Ignorance, Gullibility, Brainwashing, greed for Reward, Fear of the unknown, Insecurity without a support group or more sinister Motives such kingdoms, power, virgins, gold and chattels (Numbers 31:25-54). Do one or more of these qualify you to be in the faith?
To help you, I would like to share with you these definitions:
FAITH: a vague idea, concept or impression of the unnatural and unreal kind, held steadfast to be true without substantiation or proof.
TRUTH: a fact that can be verified; conformity to reality or actuality.
Other distorted definitions of Faith or Truth used in a play of semantics to distort or sidestep sound reasoning and judgment, I reject for the reasons stated.
Should you worship the POWER of energy? The world already does, only not in ritual form or hallucinations. The ones that process the most energy are the richest and greatest.
Finally, if any theist is sure a god exists, let him/her prove it with intelligent reasoning rather than rant, or forever be silent. Can you show that a god, any god, exists without the unsubstantiated claims in religious books or statements saying god said this or John said that? Or asking to prove a negative? There are those who argue that the signs of god are everywhere. What we see, all we see is the POWER of energy and it's evolution over time. Neither are gods required to create the uncreatable, indestructible. Who then created the gods? We know FAITH is blind. Must we blind ourselves. Is it better to enter the dark cave of FAITH rather than walk towards the light of TR
1) Yes, we do have what we refer to as "free will" but I would like to suggest that it is energy (us) possessing energy. Whatever keeps us alive is the same thing that keeps a dog, plant, bacteria, rocks and stars from disintegrating. It's energy in different forms like the gravity that keeps the moon, earth and sun moving in the energy processes of the universe. It is not unlike the plant that closes to embrace the insect or turns to face the sun. It has a decision process that is part of it's energy. We know that our decision processes are mostly in the brain, but not all. The conscious processing we refer to as "free will". Decision processing could not occur without energy. You are right that we have conscious control but as I said, control of the process is limited to the laws of energy.
Your assumption that the uncreatable, indestructible energy that has always existed has to have a start and therefore the gods created it, doesn't make sense. If all is created then who created the multitude of gods. The supernatural is superstition. While creatures do have the ability to imagine and deceive, nature is pure TRUTH.
What you are describing here is the evolution of energy. In the process, no energy was created nor destroyed. Some of the energy in the form of solar energy was reflected, some was absorbed by the material (another form of energy) causing it to heat (an energy state), some was transformed from light photons (a form of energy) to cause electrons (another form of energy) to discharge, etc. This is transformation/evolution not unlike everything else. All life is the transformation/evolution of energy. Energy had no beginning or end here. It was, it transformed and it's many new forms can be said to have beginnings and endings, but not energy in it's purist sense.
Best regards. Hope you have a speedy recovery.
While the Vedas are great stories for superstitious man, a scientific parallel exists. Vishnu could be said to be the energy of the cosmos having a universal form, always existing, always maintained, never lost. Science shows there is one universal and persistent power, energy. Brahma is the creator and Shiva the destroyer and transformer characters of this same universal power. Thus, the constant seeming creations, destruction and transformations of the ever persisting, evolving, universal energy form we observe.
I find this parallel most interesting.
1) You suggest that our ability to make decisions and our power to imagine the impossible or the supernatural beyond our reality "is proof that we are not bound to energy laws ." You say, "Imagination flows can't be limited to Energy laws , you can neither change imagination to reality nor to energy , only transferred into ideas ." OK, let's consider this point you make.
What is imagination? I suggest that imagination is not unlike dreams, hallucinations, mirages, visions, or other thought processes that lead to decisions, art, music, scientific explorations, stories, beliefs, even indecision and fear. The Bible is full of imaginative stories, some admitted and others passed as factual. In the OT, Joseph had dreams he couldn't understand, then became a dream interpreter, and in the NT, John wrote Revelations. Micheal Angelo, Nostradamus and Einstein showed the power of imagination and thinking.
Imagination, dreams, etc. are abilities seen in most creatures, including the gutter rat. They are pictures, sounds, ideas, that occur based on the energy environment that is impressed on the brain. We are not born with great ideas and dreams. Our brain learns by energy expressions and experiences. MRI's and other scans have shown that these are neuron activity in the brain that occurs mostly subconsciously but also as conscious thought. While a baby may dream about suckling a breast, those who excel in their field of learning, reveal or do great things. Here is a short and funny video of a dog dreaming: