Contradiction in the bible ... please explain?

In the bible it says that when Jesus was crucified, he asked God to forgive us people for our sins, but Christians are supposed to believe in the trinity(the believe in one God in three different forms the father son and holy spirit) , so therefore if Jesus is God, (which he is(supposedly)) Then why did he need to ask himself to forgive us our sins? (by the way I'm not sure what I believe I am just really interested in RE and like to analyze it.)

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Jesus is not God. The trinity is not a biblical teaching although many try to support it using the bible.

    Here is some eye opening facts associated with the trinity doctrine:

    *** ti pp. 5-7 Is It Clearly a Bible Teaching? ***

    “Trinity” in the Bible?

    A PROTESTANT publication states: “The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century.” (The Illustrated Bible Dictionary) And a Catholic authority says that the Trinity “is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

    The Catholic Encyclopedia also comments: “In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word τρίας [tri′as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180. . . . Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian.”

    However, this is no proof in itself that Tertullian taught the Trinity. The Catholic work Trinitas—A Theological Encyclopedia of the Holy Trinity, for example, notes that some of Tertullian’s words were later used by others to describe the Trinity. Then it cautions: “But hasty conclusions cannot be drawn from usage, for he does not apply the words to Trinitarian theology.”

    Testimony of the Hebrew Scriptures

    WHILE the word “Trinity” is not found in the Bible, is at least the idea of the Trinity taught clearly in it? For instance, what do the Hebrew Scriptures (“Old Testament”) reveal?

    The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: “Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity.” And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: “The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament].”

    Similarly, in his book The Triune God, Jesuit Edmund Fortman admits: “The Old Testament . . . tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead. . . . Even to see in [the “Old Testament”] suggestions or foreshadowings or ‘veiled signs’ of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers.”—Italics ours.

    An examination of the Hebrew Scriptures themselves will bear out these comments. Thus, there is no clear teaching of a Trinity in the first 39 books of the Bible that make up the true canon of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures.

    Testimony of the Greek Scriptures

    WELL, then, do the Christian Greek Scriptures (“New Testament”) speak clearly of a Trinity?

    The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity.”

    Jesuit Fortman states: “The New Testament writers . . . give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. . . . Nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead.”

    The New Encyclopædia Britannica observes: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.”

    Bernhard Lohse says in A Short History of Christian Doctrine: “As far as the New Testament is concerned, one does not find in it an actual doctrine of the Trinity.”

    The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology similarly states: “The N[ew] T[estament] does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. ‘The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence’ [said Protestant theologian Karl Barth].”

    Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins affirmed: “To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it.”—Origin and Evolution of Religion.

    Historian Arthur Weigall notes: “Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word ‘Trinity’ appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord.”—The Paganism in Our Christianity.

    Thus, neither the 39 books of the Hebrew Scriptures nor the canon of 27 inspired books of the Christian Greek Scriptures provide any clear teaching of the Trinity.

    Taught by Early Christians?

    DID the early Christians teach the Trinity? Note the following comments by historians and theologians:

    “Primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds.”—The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology.

    “The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the [Trinity] idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the . . . Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One.”—The Paganism

    A Sincere Bible Student

    H B J

  • 4 years ago

    While Jacob was buried at Machpela - his fathers may have been buried at Shecham - Shecham: The most ancient of the sacred towns of Palestine, situated in a beautiful plain among the mountains of Ephraim, close to the two hills Ebal and Gerizim. It was visited by Abram on his first arrival in the promised land (Gen. 12: 6); Jacob bought land here (Gen. 33: 18; Acts 7: 16; cf. Gen. 35: 4; Gen. 37: 14). It was later included in the territory of Ephraim (Josh. 17: 7), and became a Levitical city and a city of refuge (Josh. 20: 7; Josh. 21: 21; 1 Chr. 6: 67). Here Joshua addressed the people (Josh. 24: 1), and the bones of Joseph were buried (Josh. 24: 32). Here Rehoboam came to be crowned in the hope of conciliating the northern tribes (1 Kgs. 12: 1; 2 Chr. 10: 1; see also Judg. 8: 31; Judg. 9: 6, 46; Judg. 21: 19; 1 Kgs. 12: 25; 1 Chr. 7: 28; Jer. 41: 5; Ps. 60: 6). The modern town of Nablus lies near the ancient site of Shechem. Machpela: The field and cave bought by Abraham (Gen. 23: 9, 17), where were buried Sarah (Gen. 23: 19), Abraham (Gen. 25: 9), Isaac, Rebekah, and Leah (Gen. 49: 30-31), and Jacob (Gen. 50: 13). It was situated on the top of the hill on which Hebron was built. The traditional site is now occupied by a mosque. Stephen was talking to the Sanhedrin - The Samaritans—the Jews’ bitterest rivals—had seized Shechem. The proud Jews, therefore, may have done anything—perhaps even going so far as to falsify history—to keep from having to admit that their ancestors were buried in their enemy’s land. This actually lends credibility to Stephen’s statement. Given the choice of two answers, one popular but untrue, the other true but unpopular, Stephen doubtlessly would have chosen the latter.

  • Bible difficulties, or apparent Bible contradictions, exist. The opponents of Christianity often use them in their attempts to discredit Christianity. Sometimes these attacks undermine the faith of Christians who either don't understand the issues or don't have the resources to deal with them.

    Opponents of Christianity will cite what they consider a Bible contradiction or difficulty by comparing one verse to another (or more) that seems to disagree with the first. In doing this, several verses are often referenced as being contradictory or problematic. Therefore, to make this section of CARM easy to use, it is arranged by verse for easy lookup. Since many of the same "difficulties" deal with one verse in opposition to another or even several others, I have listed all the verses addressed in the same answer. This makes the initial list look larger than it really is. For example, how many animals did Noah bring into the ark? Genesis 6:19-20 says two while Gen. 7:2-3 mentions seven. Therefore, both verses are listed and both links point to the same answer.

    http://carm.org/introduction-bible-difficulties-an...

    If we read the Bible at face value, without a preconceived bias for finding errors, we will find it to be a coherent, consistent, and relatively easy-to-understand book. Yes, there are difficult passages. Yes, there are verses that appear to contradict each other. We must remember that the Bible was written by approximately 40 different authors over a period of around 1500 years. Each writer wrote with a different style, from a different perspective, to a different audience, for a different purpose. We should expect some minor differences. However, a difference is not a contradiction. It is only an error if there is absolutely no conceivable way the verses or passages can be reconciled. Even if an answer is not available right now, that does not mean an answer does not exist. Many have found a supposed error in the Bible in relation to history or geography only to find out that the Bible is correct once further archaeological evidence is discovered.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-errors.html

    The Big Book of Bible Difficulties: Clear and Concise Answers from Genesis to Revelation

    By: Norman L. Geisler, Thomas Howe

    http://www.christianbook.com/difficulties-clear-co...

  • star
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    visualise a triangle. At the top is God. the bottom 2 points are Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. They are all 3 part of the Godhead, all one yet 3 separate divine beings.

    Therefore, Jesus as a human, prayed to God the Father. Also, setting an example for us to follow. How hard is this to understand?

    So essentially, Jesus wasn't praying to Himself, He was praying to God the Father.

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  • JamesH
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    The question is misleading, because you have misstated the long-standing doctrine of the Trinity by calling it "one God in three different forms..."

    It is not different "forms" but Persons. The classic definition of the Trinity is: "There is one God, eternally existent in three divine PERSONS, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."

    Source(s): For further explanation — http://www.jimfeeney.org/trinity.html
  • 1 decade ago

    The trinity is very confusing, with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit being separate, and yet together. It's something that we humans can not comprehend, and we never will until we can ask God himself in Heaven. So, I'm sorry, but there really isn't an answer to you question.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Remember, to partake in an injustice,is to be part of that injustice. JESUS asked the FATHER to forgive those believers who were in the audience, who stood silent. JESUS did not ask the FATHER to forgive those who instigated the Crucifixion, their faith is & was sealed before the foundation of the world

  • LP S
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    Jesus was in the flesh and was showing us all how to commune with the Heavenly Father. He showed us the example, so naturally Jesus spoke to God in a way that we should all follow.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    First off, Jesus did not ask the Father to forgive us for our sins. He was asking specifically for those who were persecuting Him: "forgive them for they don't know what they're doing."

    Then understand that Jesus was a man, not God, during the time He was here on Earth. So He wasn't asking Himself anything. He was talking to His Father.

  • 1 decade ago

    Because everything Jesus did while He was on earth he did as a man. That was the point. it took a man to pay the price for man, if He broke out His diety for any reason, he would have invalidated his manhood. Every miracle He did, he did by the power of the Holy Spirit, just like Peter and Paul. and at the direction of the Father.

    It was for this reason the devil tempted Him

    Every step he took (even on the water through the power of the Holy Spirit) He took as a man

    Source(s): Everything we see as a contradiction, is merely our failure to understand
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