Creationists/ID proponents?

I have asked several ID proponents/creationists this question in the past and have never received even a decent answer, so why don't you take a crack at it?

If, according to your belief system, evolution did not happen

Then every animal that exists currently exists as it was designed by its creator (God).

So, here's my dilemma. I am a designer myself, and have been taught and accept the fact that inefficient design is bad design. I don't believe this is a difficult concept, and surely an almighty being (who presumably embedded the rules of design into our subconscious) would have grasped it.

An example

Bats are mammals. Like all mammals they have solid bones. Solid bones present a very interesting challenge to a flying animal because they are heavy. To solve this issue, the bones in the wings of bats vary in diameter to be lighter when necessary.

Bird bones, on the other hand, are hollow. This makes them lighter (more efficient for flight) but considerably weaker. Emus and penguins, which do not fly (and according to your belief system have never flown) are birds and have hollow bones. For obvious reasons, they do not gain the weight benefit of having hollow bones because they do not fly. Instead, they get the negative of having incredibly fragile bones.

So, my question to creationists/ID'ers is this. Why? If there is an intelligent designer, and he had already designed a perfectly elegant solution for flying animals, why not design the bat on the same basic framework instead of inventing another (considerably less desirable) solution? And logically speaking, it would be good design to give the Emu and the penguin solid bones, as hollow bones present no advantage in their environment.

So, how is this "intelligent" design?

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago
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    satan did it, right after planting dinosaur bones and the fossil record.

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  • 4 years ago

    What TIME does your watch say. You are now looking a proof of ID You are using a computer right it is a example of ID Every where you look there is examples of ID A tree is an example. If you don't think so then let me see you make a tree or are you not intelligent enough to do so. Can all of the scientist in the world create or design a human? No they can not. That is more then enough to prove ID. God says you will have no excuse. He said everywhere you look is proof.

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  • 1 decade ago

    I am not really speaking for myself but attempting to understand the creationist point of view. It is my understanding that most creationists/ID'ers don't necessarily believe that everything currently exists as it was when it was created. They believe in "micro evolution" or evolution within a species. So they would expect that things have evolved to a degree, but not to the degree that they become another species. It is the evolution of man through a common ancestor that they have a problem with. They believe that homo sapiens were created as homo sapiens and that has not changed. Now that is not to say that homo sapiens have not evolved in ways such as getting taller, things like that. I don't think that they think that emus and penguins positively have never flown, they may have, but they have always been emus and penguins whether they flew or not. I may be off base on this but this is my understanding of the creationist/ID beliefs. Basically that things evolve within themselves but never evolve to become a different species.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    nice observation. there are countless other examples.

    the panda's thumb being the most popular, and im not a specialist but im dead sure some biochemical processes in some animals are inefficient compared to those on other animals.

    so, Intelligent design is flawed. I'm dying to find out what will they come up with next, such as "unintelligent designer" or, hell, since there are a lot of different designs for the same purpose, "intelligent designers". im sure christians will back away from those though.

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    I don't know how or why God created the way He created. I know however that because of the fall of man(Adam) everything changed. Man was created to live for eternity and have communion with God. Every living thing, every plant, animal, fish, birds, etc. were all created perfectly. When man fell creation fell too. This is no longer a perfect world. Man dies, roses prick our fingers, snakes crawl instead of walk, sharks attack man, etc.

    Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

    You see all creation is waiting for the manifestation of the Sons of God. This is our future. The lion will sleep with the lamb and the young child will be able to place his/her hand in the ground and pull out the asp and play with it. We will one day have that perfect place once again.

    Thanks for the question and God Bless. :)

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    The Pope, Catholic Church, Church of England and mainstream churches all accept evolution and the big bang!!

    Lord Carey the former Archbishop of Canterbury put it rather well – “Creationism is the fruit of a fundamentalist approach to scripture, ignoring scholarship and critical learning, and confusing different understandings of truth”!!

    So the churches view is that there is nothing intelligent about proponents of ID!!!

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    LOL... yes, this isn't answering your question, but it adds a few more examples to the "less-than-intelligent design" discussion:

    Intelligent design of the universe:

    - The portion of the universe that is instantly lethal to life:

    99.99999999999999999999999999%

    - Most planet orbits are unstable

    - Star formation is inefficient - most matter never makes a star or planet

    - Our galaxy will collide with Andromeda

    - Our universe will wind down to cold oblivion

    Intelligent design of the Earth:

    - Earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, floods, tornadoes

    - Only 1/3 of surface is habitable by man

    - Mass extinctions - disease / climate shift / killer asteroids

    - 99% of all species of life are now extinct

    - It took 3.5 BILLION years to make multi-cellular life - not very efficient

    Intelligent design of humans:

    - Horrible birth defects

    - Aggressive childhood diseases: lukemia, hemophilia, sickle cell, MS, epilepsy, Parkinsons, ALS.

    - Absurdly narrow vision spectrum - can't detect dangerous things like magnetic fields, radiation, radon, carbon monoxide, etc.

    - Age leads to vision loss, loss of teeth, dementia, cancer

    - We exhale most of the oxygen we inhale

    - Warm-blooded must eat constantly (as opposed to reptiles who can eat oncea week or less

    - Practically comatose for 1/3 of our lives

    - Breath and eat through same pipe - so we choke (dolphins don't, for example)

    - Eliminate waste and breed through same pipe, leading to infection

    (list courtesy of Neil deGrasse Tyson)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1cKD93W3yg

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    So if someone thinks for one moment that the universe was designed as some sort of grand plan to create humans, that person has WAAAAY too big an ego.

    Source(s): EDIT: Oh, and Wayne T: NO SCIENTIST SUGGESTS THE FIRST LIFE FORMS RESEMBLED MODERN CELLS!!! Every creature alive today, from cyanobacteria to you, is the result of billions of years of evolution. What you're suggesting is like someone looking at a Toyota Prius and saying "nobody could have made that 100 years ago." Well, DUH! Why are those early life forms not around anymore? Because the bigger, better, more evolved forms ATE them (or out-competed them). It's the same story with 99% of the species that ever existed.
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  • 1 decade ago

    A living cell is too complex to have come into existence by chance or accident. Evolution within a species does occur.

    About the bat, God does not have to explain to me why he created that creature, or the skunk either, although I would like to ask God about that.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Again:

    Do you really expect them to read that?

    There are them science words in them paragraphs

    "Scientific criticism has no nobler task than to shatter false beliefs."

    - Ludwig von Mises'

    EDIT:

    To anyone interested, check out the book "Why Evolution Is True" by Jerry Coyne

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  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Theistic evolutionists would agree.

    Adaptation may have taken place over a period of hundreds of thousands of years after initial design.

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  • 1 decade ago

    Why do ostrichs have wings? What's the point of there being wings on a bird that doesn't fly?

    Was god in a funny mood, or what?

    Source(s): atheist
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